[5.01 Department Reorganization and Title Change from Director of Institutional Effectiveness, Research and Planning to Dean of Institutional Effectiveness, Research and Planning, and Grants]

ITEM 5.01.

AS PART OF THIS REGIONALREORGANIZATION PROCESS, THE ADMINISTRATIVE TITLE WILL CHANGE FROM DIRECTOR OF INSTITUTIONAL EFFECTIVENESS, RESEARCH AND PLANNING TO DEAN OF INSTITUTIONAL EFFECTIVENESS, RESEARCH AND LANDING AND GRANTS WITH A SUBSEQUENT GRADE CHANGE FROM 35 TO 42.

WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION?

>> TRUSTEE: WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS ESSENTIALLY CHANGE THE STRUCTURE OF THE OFFICE FOR A FEW REASONS FOR THE FIRST ONE WE ARE PROVIDING WHAT WE ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE LIMBO WITH THE OFFICE OF DATA AND RESEARCH HAS BEEN GROWING QUITE A BIT AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF DASHBOARDS AND EASY ACCESS TO DATA AND THE CAMPUS HAS CONTINUED TO UTILIZE IT AS A RESULT WITH THE DEMAND TO THE OFFICE AS IT DOESN'T REALLY INCREASE AND THE LEVEL OF ABILITY TO THE CURRENT DIRECT OR HAS CHANGED QUITE A BIT.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE LINES OF REPORTING RIGHT NOW ON THAT POSITION WHICH MAKES IT A LITTLE COMPLICATED FOR THE DIRECTOR TO RESPOND TO THAT SO WE ARE PUTTING THE PRIMARY LINE OF REPORTING TO THE PRESIDENT'S OFFICE.

HOWEVER, ON THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION THE DIRECTOR, NOW DEAN WILL CONTINUE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT OF ACADEMIC AFFAIRS AND THE WORK DISTRIBUTION IS GOING TO BE FILTERED BETWEEN THE VICE PRESIDENT OF ACADEMIC

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AFFAIRS AND MY OFFICE TO TRY TO PROVIDE THE MORE STRUCTURED WORK THAT HAS BEEN PUT ONTO THAT OFFICE.

THE NEXT COMPONENT OF THAT HAS BEEN THE COMBINATION OF THE GRANTS OFFICE AND THE INSTITUTIONAL PLANNING RESEARCH OFFICE TO TRY TO MOVE ONE REPORT THAT WAS WORKING UNDER THE VICE PRESIDENT, TAKE THAT AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY TO THE DEAN AND ALLOW THE DEAN OF ACADEMIC AFFAIRS TO HAVE LESS REPORTS AND NOW THERE WILL BE A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY THERE AND PART OF THAT IS THE HUB PARTICULAR OFFICE HAS ABOUT OR 17 DIRECT REPORTS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO FACILITATE THAT WORKFLOW A LITTLE BETTER.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST THERE IS A LEVEL OF SYNERGY BETWEEN WHAT WE CAN DO IN GRANT AND WHAT YOU CAN DO IN INSTITUTIONAL RESEARCH AND WE WANT TO INCORPORATES THAT SYNERGY UNDER ONE MANAGER TO MAXIMIZE THE WORK IN THIS REPORT BE INSTITUTIONAL PLANNING AND RESEARCH THAT IT PROVIDED TO GRAND DEVELOPMENT.

OBVIOUSLY THOSE INDIVIDUALS RESIDE IN THE OFFICE IN THE SAME AREA OF CAMPUS.

>> PRESIDENT: THAT MAKE SENSE TO ME.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.

A MOTION? A SECOND? ALL RIGHT.

HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ME I GET A ROLL CALL VOTE?

>>.TRUSTEE AVALOS? BOARD PRESIDENT BIRKEY? TRUSTEE LEWIS? VP DR. SHIN LIU? TRUSTEE PACHECO? TRUSTEE PEREZ? TRUSTEE DR. SALAZAR? THE MOTION PASSES.

>> PRESIDENT: ALL RIGHT.

[5.02 Resolution #22-0720A Ordering an Election and Establishing Specifications of the Election Order]

WE MOVED TO ITEM 5.02 IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES APPROVE CONSIDER FOR APPROVAL RESOLUTION NUMBER 22 - 0720 A AUTHORIZING THE PLACEMENT OF A FOREIGNER $25 MILLION PROPOSITION 39 OBLIGATION BOND MEASURE ON THE NOVEMBER 8, 2022 BALLOT.

SO, IN ORDER TO BEGIN A DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM MAYBE WE COULD HAVE VICE PRESIDENT LOPEZ GIVE US A SENSE OF THE TIMELINE VERY QUICKLY AS RELATED TO ANY DIGITAL BOND MEASURE AND THE LATITUDE IN WHICH THE DISTRICT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE ON THOSE MONIES AND PUBLIC OVERSIGHT THAT WE WOULD INSPECT FOR ANY SPENDING.

I CAN GIVE YOU MORE TIME AND I CAN ASK MORE QUESTIONS WHILE YOU PREPARE YOUR LAPTOP.

AND WHILE HE DOES THAT I WILL KEEP THINGS LIVELY BY ADDING A FEW COMMENTS ON YOUR PERSONAL DISCUSSION POINT.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IS ENSURE THAT THE COLLEGE FUNCTIONS GOING FORWARD AS WE NOW HAVE EFFECTIVELY EXHAUSTED OUR PREVIOUS BOND MONEY AS WAS PLANNED.

I THINK WE PUT IT TO EXTRAORDINARILY GOOD USE.

THERE STILL QUITE A BIT OF THE CAMPUS THAT IS VERY AGED AND VERY EASY TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE NEW HOLDINGS, THEY ARE AMAZING.

WE HAVE A LOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT IS HALF-CENTURY OLD AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT REQUIRES CAPITAL IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN OLDER FACILITIES AND MORE IMPORTANTLY COMING OUT OF COVID, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE NATURE OF EDUCATION ESPECIALLY HIGHER EDUCATION AND ESPECIALLY HIGHER EDUCATION AS IT RELATES TO THESE TYPES OF DEMOGRAPHICS WE SERVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY SHIFTING THOSE FUNDAMENTALLY THINGS THAT WE KNOW THE EDUCATION DELIVERY HAS BEEN DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS BEFORE IN SOME RESPECTS BUT WE ALSO

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UNDERSTAND ITS CONTINUING TO EVOLVE IN WAYS THAT WE DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND.

TO ME, THE OPPORTUNITY OF THIS BOND SHOULD REALLY BE ORGANIZED AS MUCH AS IT IS BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN AND MANAGE FACILITIES THAT ARE MUCH OLDER THAT WE STILL USE AND CONTINUE TO USE A LOT OF THOSE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

IN ORDER TO ADAPT MY CAMPUS WHATEVER THAT MEANS LIKE C CAMPUS IN ORDER TO BE ADEPT AT TEACHING AND WORKING WITH STUDENTS IN THE FUTURE WON'T BE AS IT WAS IN THE PAST.

HOW WELL IS THIS BOND POSITIONED FOR US TO MEET THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE NOW APPROACHING US.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU BOARD PRESIDENT BIRKEY.

I WILL START WITH SUMMARIZING HOW WE GOT HERE AND SO, STARTING BACK IN LATE 2021 WHERE WE STARTED BRINGING PRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE BOND, THE STATUS OF THE BOND, WHERE WE ARE AT AND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE CURRENT MEASURE G.

AND, RIGHT NOW AS IT STATES THE TWO REMAINING PROJECTS THAT WILL BE UTILIZED THAT WILL COMPLETELY EXHAUST MEASURE G IS WE HAVE THE HEALTH SCIENCE RENOVATION PROJECT WHICH IS A STATE-FUNDED PROJECT THAT IS FINALLY APPROVED BY THE STATE TO BID.

WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE TEAM GETTING BIDS AND WORKING ON THE STREET SO WE CAN BRING BACK AND POTENTIALLY AWARD THOSE CONTRACTS TO BRING THAT CONTRACT FORWARD AND GETTING IT GOING.

WE WILL BE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE THE PROJECT UNDER BOTH LEVERAGING THOSE DOLLARS.

THAT WOULD LEAVE US WITH THE REMAINING PART OF THE DOLLARS TO BE ABLE TO BEGIN BUT NOT FINISH THE STUDENT SERVICES ADMINISTRATION BUILDING AND FOR US THE GOAL IS TO BUILD THE STUDENT PORTION OF THE BUILDING WHETHER OR NOT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A BOND OR NOT.

SO WE ARE COMMITTED TO TAKING SURE THAT WE SPEND THE ENTIRE MEASURE G AND FINISH THE STUDENT PORTION PIECE OF THE BUILDING GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT IS A KEY BUILDING BLOCK ON CENTRALIZING SERVICES FOR STUDENTS.

THAT IS KIND OF WHERE WE ARE AT ON MEASURE G IN A NUTSHELL.

THAT LEADS US TO TODAY.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH CONSULTANTS.

WE PRESENTED EARLIER THIS YEAR IN APRIL A COMMUNITY SURVEY ON THE POTENTIAL OF WHAT VOTERS FEEL ON THAT BOND AND WE PRESENTED THAT ON THE BOARD AND BASED ON THOSE RESULTS WE FELT CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS PROCESS FORWARD WORKING WITH THE TEAM ON THE SIZING OF THE BOND IS PRIMARILY DRIVEN OFF OF BOTH THE IT MASTER PLAN AND OUR FACILITIES MASTER PLAN.

BUT GIVEN THAT A LOT HAS CHANGED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IN NOT BEING ABLE TO BE NIMBLE AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO WHERE WE SEE FIT ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE TECHNOLOGY SIDE AND WHERE WE ARE GOING THERE IN THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE CHOICES IF WE NEED TO MAKE THOSE CHOICES.

BUT ALSO IDENTIFYING THAT THERE'S STILL CRITICAL NEED ON THE CAMPUS FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT AND THIS BOND WOULD HELP ADDRESS THOSE IMMEDIATE NEEDS AND STILL ALLOW US TO MAKE ANY TECHNOLOGICAL CHANGES TO THE CAMPUS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

WE BELIEVE THE SIZE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED IN THIS RESOLUTION WOULD BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE THOSE EFFORTS.

IN MY OPINION THOSE PAST BONDS CAME SHORT TO REALLY FULFILL A MASTER PLAN AND IN

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THIS CASE WE REALLY FELT ADAMANT THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD OUT WHAT WE SAY WE ARE GOING TO DO.

AND SO, THAT IS HOW THE OR WHERE THE DOLLAR FIGURE CAME ON THAT WITH THE TESTING IN THE SURVEY.

WE GAIN EVEN MORE CONFIDENT THAT THAT NUMBER WAS DOABLE.

>> PRESIDENT: VICE PRESIDENT LOPEZ IF I COULD INTERRUPT FOR ONE QUESTION ON THIS EXACT POINT, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT UNDERSTAND IS THE ABILITY FOR US TO UTILIZE THIS MONEY IN A WAY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE BEHOLDEN TO THE MASTER PLAN THAT WAS CREATED AND NOT NECESSARILY TO THROW OUT ALL THAT WE HAVE LEARNED BUT RATHER BE ABLE TO UPDATE THE MASTER PLAN BASED ON HOW MUCH THE WORLD HAS SHIFTED SINCE WE PUT IT TOGETHER AND THEN HAVE THE BOND HELP THE COLLEGE ACHIEVE THAT RE-ORIENTED GOAL.

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S WHAT THIS RESOLUTION DOES.

EMBEDDED IN THE RESOLUTION IF YOU LOOK AT A COUPLE OF THE EXHIBITS, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT IT IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, EXHIBIT E IN THE RESOLUTION IT CALLS OUT LIKE ANY RESOLUTION IS REQUIRED TO A PROJECT LIST.

THIS IS WHAT THE VOTE IS OR WHAT WERE GOING TO SEE.

THAT IS BASED ON ONE, THE MASTER PLAN BUT ALSO WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE.

INSTEAD OF SAYING THAT WE ARE GOING TO BUILD A BUSINESS BUILDING IT USES TERMINOLOGY THAT ALLOWS US TO BUILD INSTRUCTIONAL SPACES.

SO IT'S VAGUE, RIGHT? IF WE MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THE MASTER PLAN WE ARE STILL IN COMPLIANCE OF WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE.

WE DON'T CALL OUT SPECIFIC THINGS IN THERE UNLESS WE NEED TO OR WE HAVE TO.

AN EXAMPLE IS IF WE ARE GOING TO BUY PROPERTY OUTSIDE THE CAMPUS THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CALLED OUT IN THE PROJECT LIST BECAUSE IS NOTHING THAT WE COULD WRITE IN THERE THAT GIVES US LACKS ABILITY TO DO IT UNLESS WE CALL IT OUT.

THOSE ARE SOME DIFFERENT DISTINCTIONS ON HOW THAT IS.

YOU WILL SEE IN THERE THAT IT TALKS ABOUT YOU KNOW, MAKING UPGRADES OR REPAIRS TO BUILDINGS FOR LEAKY ROOFS BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT A ROOF IS NOT GUARANTEED FOREVER.

WERE CONSTANTLY GOING TO HAVE TO REPAIR JUST LIKE ANY OTHER MAINTENANCE THAT WE WILL BE RENOVATING IS THAT WE WILL HAVE TO BE UP DATING A LOT OF OUR BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT IN THE 60S AND 70S.

AND SO, EVEN SOME IN THE 80S.

IT ALLOWS US THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT.

BUT IF THERE IS A CHANGE TO THE MASTER PLAN.

REMEMBER, WE ADOPTED THE MASTER PLAN THE IT MASTER PLAN IN 2019 OR EARLY 2020 WHICH MEANS HE DID THE MASTER PLAN GOING INTO 2018 2019 AND SO IT IS ROUGHLY PUSHING FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OLD NOW.

IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS WE MAY BE ADDRESSING THE MASTER PLAN ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT LENSES WITH A DIFFERENT SHIFT AND HOW WE SEE IT MOVING FORWARD.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE MADE TO THE MASTER PLAN ALLOWS US THAT FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS POINTED OUT THAT THE WAY THE PROJECT IS LISTED PROVIDES US THAT FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT.

BUT IF WE ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS UNIQUE LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE LIKE BUYING PROPERTY OUTSIDE THE CAMPUS THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO BE CALLED OUT SEPARATELY.

>> PRESIDENT: THAT IS CALLED OUT IN THIS AND THAT'S HOW I'M READING IT?

>> SPEAKER: FOR THE ACTUAL BUYING PROPERTY OUTSIDE THE RESOLUTION DOES NOT -*SPEAKER1* EXHIBIT A SAYS ... ACQUIRE, CONSTRUCT AND REPAIR SITES, FACILITIES AND EQUIPMENT.

>> SPEAKER: YES.

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>> PRESIDENT: IF WE CAN ACQUIRE SITES IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN UTILIZE THIS TO BUY PROPERTY IF NECESSARY?

>> SPEAKER: RIGHT.

YES.

AND THEN, IT WAS INTENDED TO BE AS FLEXIBLE TO MAXIMIZE ANY SHIFT IN THERE BECAUSE AGAIN, SOME OF THESE MASTER PLANS ARE DONE, THEY ARE DONE AT THE SAME TIME THE BOND MEASURE WAS PASSED.

NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES AS WE PROGRESS OVER THE NEXT FIVE, 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW.

>> PRESIDENT: WE CAN TELL HOW PRESENT WE ARE IN THE COMMUNITY AND IF AN UPDATED MASTER PLAN MIGHT INCLUDE CERRITOS COLLEGE PRESENCE IN NEIGHBORHOODS OR SURROUNDING CITIES IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM THAT MAY BE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS FLEXIBILITY TO ADOPT A MODEL THAT COULD BE INCLUSIVE OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> SPEAKER: RIGHT.

>> TRUSTEE: MAY I ASK A QUESTION? FROM A TAXPAYER PERSPECTIVE, WHAT ARE WE GETTING? I SEE THIS AND UNDERSTAND THE FLEXIBILITY THAT YOU ARE MAKING THE CASE FOR BUT FROM A TAXPAYER PERSPECTIVE WHAT ARE WE KIDDING? I CAN'T SEE THIS AND READ THIS AND KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO COMPLETE THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING.

THUS THE FIRST PRODUCTPROJECT.

IF A PERSON CAME UP AND ASKED ME WHAT I WAS GOING TO BE SUPPORTING WOULDN'T TELL THEM ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES THAT.

I'VE MANY CONCERNS BUT THAT'S MY FIRST CONCERN GOOD I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT PROJECTS ARE THEY SPECIFICALLY?

>> SPEAKER: THE LIST PROVIDES FLEXIBILITY ON THAT.

>> TRUSTEE: BUT THERE'S NO LIST.

THERE'S NO LIST OF PROJECTS.

I AM LOOKING THROUGH A WHOLE LIST AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A HOLD BROADER CATEGORY OF REPAIRS.

>> SPEAKER: THERE IS A BROAD CATEGORY BUT IT DRIVES WHAT WE DO WHICH IS THE MASTER PLAN.

>> TRUSTEE: AND WHERE IS THAT LIST? BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS I WANT TO BE ABLE TO MATCH THIS TO A LIST.

>> PRESIDENT: AS A VOTER?

>> TRUSTEE: RIGHT AND STARTING TOMORROW DEPEND ON WHAT THE BOARD DOES GOING TO START EDUCATING OUR CONSTITUENTS THAT WERE GOING AFTER THIS.

I DON'T KNOW.

THIS SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MUMBO-JUMBO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO ARTICULATE FROM THIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS MISSING OR NOT PRESENTED CORRECT THE OR WHAT BUT I SCROLLED THIS WHOLE DOCUMENT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

>> PRESIDENT: TRUSTEE LEWIS?

>> TRUSTEE: THE WORD FLEXIBILITY WAS MENTIONED 15 TIMES OR MORE DURING THIS MEETING IN THE LAST 20 MINUTES AND WHILE I APPRECIATE THAT FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERSPECTIVE TO ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO BE MORE NIMBLE I THINK TRUSTEE PEREZ WAS SAYING FROM A TAXPAYER PERSPECTIVE IS PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE BECAUSE IT'S WRITING THE BLANK CHECK TO CERRITOS.

WHILE I THINK THE COMMUNITY TRUST US ENOUGH TO DO THAT AS A PRINCIPAL STANDPOINT AND PERSPECTIVE OF HAVING TO PAY $25 PER HUNDRED THOUSAND ASSESSED VALUE AS A HOMEOWNER IS A PROPERTY OWNER IN THE DISTRICT WERE NOT ABLE TO ARTICULATE SEVERAL THINGS.

AS BOARD PRESIDENT BIRKEY MENTIONED THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY WHAT WERE COMING OUT OF FROM THE PANDEMIC AS WE EXPERIENCE A LARGE DECLINE IN ENROLLMENT AND FULLY SMALLER THAN OTHERS BUT WE SHOULDN'T BE TAKING THE WORLD THAT WAS BEFORE COVID AND GIVING A CHECK TO THAT AND SUDDENLY CHANGING IT ON THE VOTERS WHICH WAS IN MANY WORDS EXACTLY WHAT HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO US TODAY.

WERE GOING TO ASK FOR THE 425 MILLION ON A MASTER PLAN AND THEN AFTER THE ELECTION WERE GOING TO CHANGE IT.

I CAN'T SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT WILL BE POTENTIALLY FLEECING THE VOTERS AND A TRUSTEE ADMINISTRATION BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE THE SAME ADMINISTRATION THAT WE WILL HAVE IN FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS DOWN THE LINE AS WE CONTINUE TO IMPLEMENT THIS.

SO, I AM STRONGLY AGAINST THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL AS IT IS.

>> PRESIDENT: TRUSTEE LEWIS I WANT TO JUMP IN IN TERMS OF SAYING 15 TIMES FLEXIBILITY AT DEFINITELY LEAD THE WITNESS SO TO SPEAK AND THAT MY QUESTION TO VICE PRESIDENT LOPEZ WAS AROUND FLEXIBILITY SO I WAS HOPING THAT HE WOULD TALK ABOUT FLEXIBILITY.

I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE THE ONLY WAY WE INTERPRET THE PROPOSED BOND.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT IN THAT ANSWER HE WAS ANSWERING MY QUESTION ABOUT IT.

>> TRUSTEE: THAT'S FINE I'M NOT ATTACKING THAT SPECIFICALLY BUT I BRING IT

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UP BECAUSE THAT'S THE IDEA FLEXIBILITY ALSO COMES WITH ANOTHER NUMBER OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN GET FROM THE THESAURUS.

SYNONYMS SUCH AS I CAN'T THINK OF ANY BECAUSE WE BEEN TALKING FLEXIBILITY SO OFTEN ANOTHER FIVE TIMES IT'S BEEN MENTIONED BUT STILL IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN TRULY BRING TO MY CONSTITUENTS AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WERE GOING TO BUILD ON CAMPUS.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BUILD? I DON'T KNOW.

THINGS AND STUFF.

>> PRESIDENT: DOCTOR?

>> TRUSTEE: SAME THING TO ME.

I FEEL THIS RESOLUTION IS NOT CLEAR AT ALL TO ME.

IT IS NOT CLEAR AT ALL TO ME HOW DO I EXPLAIN TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS? THIS WILL TAKE FOREVER TO EXPLAIN IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN CLEAR TO MYSELF.

THAT IS MY OPINION.

>> PRESIDENT: ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS?

>> TRUSTEE: IF I MAY?

>> PRESIDENT: YES, DR. FIERRO?

>> TRUSTEE: THAT WAS A LEADING QUESTION.

>> PRESIDENT: I WAS WORRIED ABOUT FLEXIBILITY HE ANSWERED THE QUESTION NOW WE ARE IN TROUBLE.

>> PRESIDENT: A COUPLE OF TOPICS HAVE COME OUT THAT HAVE EMERGED.

>> TRUSTEE: ONE IS FLEXIBILITY AND SPECIFICITY.

I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THE TWO TOPICS, OBVIOUSLY IF THE BOARD WANTED TO REACH A COMPROMISE WE WILL HAVE TO GIVE UP A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY TO INCREASE THE SPECIFICITY AND VICE VERSA.

EVENTUALLYESSENTIALLY THE VOTERS WILL SAY IS AN APPROVAL IS WHAT WE FULLY COMMIT TO DO.

FOR INSTANCE, IF IT IS TO BUILD THE ADMINISTRATION, TO BUILD A NEW STADIUM, TO BUILD A NEW CLASSROOM BUILDING FOR X OR Y, WE CANNOT USE THE DOLLARS FOR ANYTHING BUT THAT.

SO LET'S SAY NEXT YEAR AS THE MASTER PLAN CHANGES WE WILL START SEEING THE ENROLLMENT IS GOING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND WE WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO BUILD A FULL CLASS BUILDING BUT IT WILL BE A SKILLED LAB THAT IS GOING TO BE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND ONE OF THE LOCAL COMPANIES.

WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WHAT THE BOND CALL WAS WAS VERY SPECIFIC FOR THAT PARTICULAR REASON.

SO, IT IF WE GET TO THAT I GUESS WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT EXISTED BECAUSE IT WILL BE WHAT YOU WILL BE COMMITTING TO BUILD REGARDLESS.

THE OTHER PART IS TO CONSIDER IS THE ESCALATION COST SO IF WE COMMIT TO DO SOMETHING IN THE DOLLARS DON'T GET THERE I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE WHAT THE COMMITMENT AND THE USABILITY OF THE DOLLARS AFTER BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY DELIVER WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DELIVER.

ON THE OTHER HAND OBVIOUSLY THE FLEXIBILITY AS VP DR. SHIN LIU SAID IT MAKES IT HARDER TO EXPLAIN IT WILL BE IMPORTANT AT THAT POINT TO ENSURE THAT IT IS VERY SPECIFIC AND THEIR COMMUNICATION WHAT IS CURRENTLY AT THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN.

WE ALSO NEED TO REMEMBER THAT WE ARE OBLIGATED TO UPDATE THAT PLAN EVERY SIX YEARS.

FIVE YEARS? SO, THAT PLAN EVEN IF IT ENDS UP BEING ROUGHLY THE SAME AS IT IS TODAY WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE.

TO SOLICIT THE COMMUNITY FOR A BOND.

EVEN IF WE WERE GOING TO LIST THOSE PROJECTS WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN AND THE OUTCOME MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE SAME AS WHAT WE RELEASE THERE.

OBVIOUSLY WE JUST WANT TO COMPARE AND CONTRAST THE TWO TOPICS THAT I FELT THAT EMERGED IN THE CONVERSATION THE FLEXIBILITY AND THE SPECIFICITY DEPENDING ON HOW WE ADJUST THEM WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SOME COMPROMISES ON THAT OUTCOME.

>> SPEAKER: THE WAY I WOULD SAY IT IS THE RESOLUTION DOES PROVIDE THE FLEXIBILITY

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BUT THE ACTUAL SPECIFIC PROJECTS ARE OUTLINED IN THE MASTER PLAN.

THAT IS OUR ROADMAP AND THAT'S WHAT WE MOVE ON.

THE TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE MASTER PLAN THAT ARE IN LINE ARE THE RENOVATION PROJECTS FOR HEALTH SCIENCE AND THE STUDENTS SERVICES ADMINISTRATION PLAN.

SO WE UTILIZE THAT AS OUR ROADMAP AND THAT IS THE PLAN THAT WE USE.

IT IS SEQUENCED IN PROJECT OF WHAT COMES FIRST AND WHAT COMES NEXT.

OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A CHANGE TO THAT THEN WE ADJUST ACCORDINGLY.

A LOT OF TIMES THOSE MASTER PLANS DON'T NECESSARILY OVERALL CHANGE.

I WOULD REFERENCE BACK TO THE ONE THAT WE RECENTLY DID ROUGHLY ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO IT NEVER CHANGED THE OUTLOOK OF THE PROJECTS WE ARE WORKING ON BUT WHAT IT DID WAS EXTEND THE NEXT VERSION THE NEXT 10 YEAR OUTLOOK BASED ON WHAT IS GOING ON CURRENTLY AND THAT IS HOW THESE PLANS ARE UP DATED ON THAT.

AND SO WHEN THE PLAN IS UPDATED OBVIOUSLY A LOT HAS CHANGED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS BUT TYPICALLY THE PLANS HAVE ADVANCED TO THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

WHAT IS CURRENTLY NOW WHAT WE WOULD SEE 5 TO 10 YEARS AGO WHAT IT WAS UPDATED LIKE.

DO WE NEED TO EXPAND IN THESE DEPARTMENTS OR DO WE NEED TO FOCUS IN THESE AREAS OF INSTRUCTION VERSUS ON WHAT WE THOUGHT EIGHT YEARS AGO.

THAT IS HOW THIS GETS LAID OUT AND IS UP DATED ACCORDINGLY.

>> PRESIDENT: THERE IS A REPWRITTEN COMMITMENT THAT THE COLLEGE HAS WITH WHAT WERE GOING TO DO WITH ANY MONEY THAT COMES THROUGH? I AM ACKNOWLEDGING THAT IT IS NOT IN THIS DOCUMENT EVEN THOUGH IT IS DOCUMENTED AND WRITTEN IN THEIR THERE'S A LEVEL OF COMMITMENT BEHIND IT WE WILL COME TO THAT POINT AND I WILL GO TO TRUSTEE PACHECO FIRST.

>> TRUSTEE: WHAT HE IS SAYING IS UNDER PROJECTS AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT IT'S REALLY TELLING YOU THAT THE FOCUS ON THE BASICS WHICH IS REALLY REPAIRS LEAKY ROOF, PROVIDE SAFE DRINKING WATER, GAS LINES, ELECTRICAL, SEWER LINES, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MEETING EARTHQUAKE AND FIRE SAFETY STANDARDS WHICH THE BUILDINGS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, SOME OF THOSE OLD THINGS REALLY NEED THOSE REPAIRS.

THE FLEXIBILITY THAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT IT IS THROUGH JOB TRAINING, SPECIALIZED SKILLS AND NEEDED TO COMPETE IN THE DEMANDING WORKFORCE.

SO WHAT IS THERE TODAY MAY NOT BE THERE IN THE FUTURE SO THAT IS NOT SPECIFIC ENOUGH BUT IT IS THERE.

AND NOW WE NEED THIS TYPE OF WORKER AND THIS IS THE TYPE OF SKILL THAT WE NEED.

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO BUILD SO WE CAN PROVIDE THE FUTURE WORKFORCE.

TO ME I UNDERSTAND THAT WERE GOING TO DO THIS, THIS AND THIS BUT IT DOES SAY WERE GOING TO DO THIS, THIS AND THIS BECAUSE WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR BUILDINGS.

WE NEED TO DO THOSE REPAIRS.

BECAUSE WE MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE ABLE TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING.

THAT'S HOW I WOULD APPROACH IT OR TELL SOMEONE IN REGARDS TO THIS BOND, IT'S THE ABILITY TO MOVE TO THE NEXT CENTURY OF JOBS AND BE PREPARED.

TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE TYPES OF FORCES, TO BE ABLE TO FIX OUR CURRENT STRUCTURE BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE NOT TOUCHED A LOT OF OUR BUILDINGS THAT NEED THE EARTHQUAKE AND FIRE SAFETY.

THAT NEED TO HAVE THE LEAKY ROOF AND SAFE DRINKING WATER AND THOSE SEWER LINES THAT ARE SO OLD THAT WE NEED TO GET REPAIRED.

THAT IS HOW I WOULD TELL THE PEOPLE I WOULD TALK TO IN REGARDS OF WHY THIS BOND IS IMPORTANT.

WE STILL NEED TO WORK ON THE BUILDING TO GET THOSE REPAIRS DONE.

THAT IS THE WAY I WOULD DO IT.

>> PRESIDENT: THANK YOU, TRUSTEE PACHECO AND TRUSTEE LEWIS?

>> TRUSTEE: I DON'T EXPECT US TO GIVE A BUILDING PROPOSAL FOR THE COMMUNITY

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BUT WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS MORE IN FLEXIBILITY I'M GOING TO USE A DIFFERENT WORD.

I THINK THAT'S THE POINT.

WHEN YOU ARE ASKING BOATERS TO ADD ANOTHER $25 PER HUNDRED THOUSAND ASSESSED VALUE ESPECIALLY WHEN SO MANY OF OUR RENTAL MARKETS AND REAL ESTATE ORCHIDS HAVE BEEN INCREASING SINCE COVID THAT SO MANY PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN BUY HOUSES AND TO SAY THAT WE BILL YOU HAVE TO PAY AN EXTRA $200-$300 EVERY YEAR FOR PREPARING STUDENTS TO TRANSFER TO A FOUR-YEAR COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THE WHOLE REASON WE ARE HERE AT CERRITOS COLLEGE IS TO PREPARE THEM TO TRANSFER TO A WARRIOR COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY.

THE BUILDINGS, COMMUNITY AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DO HERE AT CERRITOS COLLEGE, THE PROJECTS ARE TECHNICALLY LISTED THERE BUT THERE'S VERY LITTLE IF ANY SPECIFICITY AS TO WHAT WERE GOING TO DO.

I CANNOT IMAGINE MYSELF GOING IN FRONT OF A CONSTITUENT SAYING I NEED YOU TO GIVE ME $425 MILLION BECAUSE WE NEED TO MEET CURRENT EARTHQUAKE AND FIRE SAFETY REGULATIONS AND WE NEED TO DO JOB TRAINING SPECIALIZED SKILLS FOR THOSE OF COURSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO BUT ARE WE NOT DOING IT? WHY DO WE NEED $425 MILLION OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS TO DO SO? ISN'T THAT WHY I PAY TAXES TO THE STATE? I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO NOT WITH THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE AND NOT CHANGE THE MASTER PLAN PAGE YOU CAN LOOK AT THE MASTER PLAN NOW AND IT WILL TELL YOU WHAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE BUT THAT MASTER PLAN CAN CHANGE AND IT COULD BE ENTIRELY NEW BECAUSE WE ARE IN AN ENTIRELY NEW WORLD COVID IS A UNIQUE THING THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED AT THIS KIND OF SCALE.

WE'VE HAD PANDEMICS IN THE EARLY 1900S BUT WE ARE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT WORLD IN THE 1930S AS WELL.

GLOBALLY WE HAVE CONNECTED AND SO ON.

SO I THINK THAT WHILE I'M NOT ASKING FOR EXACT PACIFIC PRINCE OF THESE BUILDINGS I NEED TO BE ABLE TO PHYSICALLY POINT TO PARTICULAR SITE AND TELL MY CONSTITUENTS THIS IS WHAT WE ARE BUILDING IF YOU INVEST IN OUR COLLEGE AND THAT MUCH MORE.

>> PRESIDENT: TRUSTEE PACHECO?

>> TRUSTEE: DECIDES THAT YOU ALSO SHOW THEM A BUILDING THAT IS NOT TOUCH AND SAY THIS IS ALSO THE REASON WE NEED THE BOND? BECAUSE WOULD YOU REALLY PUT STUDENTS THERE? IT WOULD NOT BE SAFE.

>> PRESIDENT: I CAN SAY THAT TO THEM NOW AND THAT'S THE MASTER PLAN THAT WAS REFERENCED BUT I CAN'T MAKE THAT COMMITMENT TO THEM BECAUSE IS NOT THE ACTUAL BOND CONTRACTUAL LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE WITH A CONSTITUENT.

SO YES, IT THERE BUT IT'S LIKE A USED CAR SALESMAN TELLING THEM THAT SOMETHING MIGHT HAPPEN.

>> SPEAKER: I CAN EASILY PREPARE A LIST OF THE PROJECTS, WHICH ARE SLATED FOR DEMO AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IN WHICH PROJECTS ARE SLATED FOR RENOVATION ON THAT AND THOSE OF THE ONES THAT WILL DO THE REPAIR TO THE SEWER, ROOF, HVAC, ELECTRICAL YOU KNOW? ONCE WE TOUCH AN OLD BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT IN THE 60S WE HAVE TO GET IT TO THE CURRENT CODE.

THERE WILL BE STRUCTURAL CHANGES THE RENOVATION PROJECT FOR THE HEALTH SCIENCE HAS A TERMINUS AMOUNT OF STRUCTURAL AND FOUNDATION WORK ON IT BECAUSE THEY'RE SUCH A DRAMATIC CODE DIFFERENCE TWEEN WHEN THAT BUILDING WAS BUILT AND WHAT IS BEING BUILT TODAY.

AND SO IT'S LIKE BUILDING A BRAND-NEW BUILDING BUT UTILIZING THE FRAMER OR FOOTPRINT OF THE CURRENT BUILDING ON THAT.

I CAN SPECIFY WHICH PROJECTS ARE CURRENTLY ON THE LIST AND WHAT SEQUENCING THOSE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE DONE AND AS A WAY OF TALKING POINT OF WHAT EXACT WE, WHAT WE ARE PLANNING TO DO OVER THE NEXT FIVE, 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW.

GRANTED, YES, A MASTER PLAN BETWEEN TODAY AND MAYBE 10 YEARS OR EVEN FIVE YEARS IS GOING TO BE UP DATED.

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THAT IS GOING TO INCLUDE MORE STUFF.

IT COULD INCLUDE MORE BUILDINGS BASED ON ENROLLMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

>> PRESIDENT: WHAT IF WE HAVE ANOTHER BLACK SWAN EVENT AND WE CAN'T USE THAT MONEY TO ADDRESS IT?

>> SPEAKER: AND THUS THE HARM IN THE CALLOUT AND THEN WERE STUCK.

>> PRESIDENT: AND I'M A TAXPAYER.

I DON'T WANT TO NOT BE ABLE TO USE MY TAX MONEY.

>> TRUSTEE: I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS WORTH MENTIONING THAT WE DRESSED AND TRUSTEE PEREZ DID NOT MENTION, OBVIOUSLY OUR CAMPUS HAS GREAT FACILITIES IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING OVER TIME BUT HOWEVER, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO IF THE BOARD APPROVED THIS TO MAKE AN EFFORT OF INSURING THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING IS CREATING ADDITIONAL JOB OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITY BECAUSE IF WE ARE CREATING ADDITIONAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITY ESSENTIALLY THE DOLLARS OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY AND WHAT THEY'RE INVESTING ON CAMPUS GOES BACK TO THE COMMUNITY IN DIFFERENT FORM.

SO OUR CONCERTED EFFORT IN MY OPINION AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THE DECISION OF THE BOARD SHOULD BE MADE IF THIS RESOLUTION IS APPROVED AND IF THE BOARD IS APPROVED AND THE COMMUNITY APPROVES THE MEASURE THAT WE COMMIT TO ACTUALLY CREATE LONG-TERM LOCAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES AS THIS IS BEING DEVELOPED, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD A PILOTS OF THAT AND WE HAD SOME POSITIVE DATA I KNOW IT COULD BE BETTER BUT WE HAVE SOME POSITIVE DATA THAT WE WERE PRESENTED BY ONE OR MORE CONSULTING GROUPS ON THE LOCAL HIRES BUT WE CAN MAKE A GREATER COMMITMENT BECAUSE AGAIN IF THE COMMUNITY IS INVESTED IN THE COLLEGE WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE AN EFFORT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SEE SOME NOT JUST THE RETURN ON THE BUILDING BUT A RETURN OF THOSE DOLLARS TO THE COMMUNITY IN THE FORM OF NEW JOBS.

>> PRESIDENT: ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

TRUSTEE PEREZ?

>> TRUSTEE: I NEED TO LEAVE, I NEED TO LEAVE AT 9:30 AND I'M NOT PROPOSE TO VOTE ON THIS I THINK THERE'S SOME WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

I CAN GO THROUGH MY LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS THAT SHOULD BE CHANGED BEFORE I LEAVE.

THESE ARE FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER.

ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE UNDER THE WHEREAS, I COULD REQUEST THAT THE WHEREAS WHEREAS THE LOCAL MEASURE WILL PROVIDE FUNDS THAT CANNOT BE TAKEN AWAY BY THE STATE TO PROMOTE JOB TRAINING.

I HATE THAT ARGUMENT HATE WHEN EVERYBODY USES THAT ARGUMENTS IN CITIES, SCHOOLS, SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

I FEEL LIKE BLAMING THE STATE DOES NOT GET US ANYWHERE GOOD I WOULD RESPECTFULLY HAVE THAT BE REMOVED.

WHEN I GOT ON THIS BOARD IN 2012 ALONG WITH DOCTOR SALAZAR AND TRUSTEE AVALOS, THERE WAS A MASTER PLAN AND WE GOT IT IN THE FIRST FEW MONTHS OF BEING ON THE BOARD AND WE KNEW EXACTLY WHICH PROJECTS WOULD BE BUILT WITH MEASURE G.

DON'T SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEN AND NOW BECAUSE I DO FEEL, I HAVE THAT BOOK IN MY LIBRARY STILL.

WE FOLLOW THAT SCHEDULE AND I DON'T REMEMBER IT DEVIATING AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT SEQUENCE OF THE BUILDINGS AND WHAT THEY WOULD BE AND WE BEEN WORKING A LONG TIME ON HEALTH SCIENCE.

AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE DON'T HAVE THAT DETAIL NOW BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS BETWEEN BACK THEN AND NOW.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO CALL FOR MORE SPECIFICS AS I THINK WE OWE THAT TO THE TAXPAYERS.

IT IS A FOREIGNER $25 MILLION BOND WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN THE LAST BOND, TOO.

AGAIN, I WOULD ASK FOR THAT.

I AM CURIOUS, WE TALK ABOUT, FIRST OF ALL I HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH THE SAFE DRINKING WATER WHICH AVOIDS LAST TIME.

BUT IF WE WERE TO HAVE UNSAFE DRINKING WATER AT THE COLLEGE RIGHT NOW THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM AND WE SHOULD BE WAITING FOR A SCHOOL BOND TO FIX THAT.

IF THAT IS A PROBLEM, DR. FIERRO, THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED YESTERDAY.

IF THERE IS ANY MENTION OF SAFE DRINKING WATER THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE THAT'S DISINGENUOUS TO OUR BOARD MEMBERS AND STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE HAVE

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WORKED SO HARD TO BRING ALONG SO I AGAIN WOULD REITERATE THAT.

I AM CURIOUS OUT OF THIS $425 MILLION WHICH PERCENTAGE IS REALLY USED FOR MAINTENANCE AND WHICH PERCENTAGE IS USED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION? BECAUSE I CAN SEE, YES, THERE ARE SOME CLASSROOMS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED I 100 PERCENT UNDERSTAND THAT BUT I'D BE CURIOUS WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE IS.

HOW MUCH MONEY WILL GO INTO GROUPS, GAS AND SEWER LINES AND HOW MUCH ARE WE USING FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION? FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE AND WORK IN THIS DISTRICT WE ARE GOING TO BE THE FACE OF THIS AND EVERYWHERE WE GO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ASKING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW NO ONE IN THIS COMMUNITY WANTS TO PAY MORE TAXES SO PLEASE TELL ME IF I AM WRONG.

I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO WOULD SAY I WANT TO PAY MORE TAXES.

THE OTHER THING, TOO, IS, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME.

TRUSTEE DR. SALAZAR, TRUSTEE AVALOS AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS.

IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY WE REPRESENTED.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE THAT TO BE CONSIDERED.

WE'VE HAD THREE PROJECTS.

I DON'T KNOW THE LAST TIME WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH DATE ON HOW THINGS WERE GOING.

I KNOW THE FIRST PROJECT ACTUALLY CAME OUT PRETTY GOOD.

I KNOW IT WASN'T EXPENSIVE AT ALL.

BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER TWO POA'S THAT WE HAD.

I WOULD ASK FOR THAT TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS AND I WOULD NOT BE DOING MY ROLE AS A STATEWIDE LEADER IF I DID NOT TALK ABOUT DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET MORE DIVERSE CONTRACTORS HERE AND MORE DIVERSE BIDDERS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IN CORPORATIVE, TO, AND IF IT'S NOT IN THE RESOLUTION OR THE MEASURE THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE POLICY BECAUSE BEFORE WE ASK THE VOTERS FOR $425 MILLION I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE JOBS AND INCLUDING LOCAL BUSINESSES.

I WANT TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN.

AGAIN, THIS IS A BIG ASK FOR THE COMMUNITY AND IN A TIME WHERE WE HAVE ALL BEEN HERE SINCE 5:00 AND HOW MANY STUDENTS HAVE WE SEEN? I THINK I COUNTED 20 STUDENTS THAT WE HAVE SEEN ON CAMPUS.

AGAIN, I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL THAT WERE GOING TO HAVE WONDERFUL FACILITIES FOR THEM BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE STUDENTS HERE TO FILL THEM I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME.

AGAIN, I AM SORRY THAT I HAVE TO LEAVE AND I'M SORRY YOU HAVE ALL THESE QUESTIONS BUT AGAIN I FEEL THAT WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT AND BE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSPARENT BEFORE WE GO OUT TO VOTE.

I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS AS IS AND IF I AM COUNTING THE UT LEAVES YOU HAVE TO HAVE MY FIFTH VOTE.

I KNOW YOU HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT IT SO THAT WOULD BE MY - BOARD PRESIDENT BIRKEY.

>> PRESIDENT: WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU WHAT THE TIMELINE IS ON THIS BECAUSE YOU RAISE THE ISSUE.

>> TRUSTEE: SO, WE WILL NEED A SPECIAL MEETING IF WE WANT TO CONSIDER THIS IN A DIFFERENT MEETING BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE FILING DATE IS AUGUST 12 OR 13TH?

>> SPEAKER: YES.

A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR THE ELECTION NEEDS TO BE DELIVERED TO THE COUNTY REGISTER'S OFFICE BY AUGUST 12 FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL BOARD MEETING IS AUGUST 17.

>> TRUSTEE: WE WOULD NEED A SPECIAL MEETING IF THE BOARD WAS TO CONSIDER A VOTE ON A BETTER RESOLUTION.

>> PRESIDENT: IN ORDER TO CONSIDER THE VOTE WE NEED TO HAVE EVERYTHING PINNED UP.

FOR EXAMPLE IF ARE GOING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES THAT TRUSTEE PEREZ MENTIONED TO THE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CODIFIED BEFORE THE VOTE IS THAT CORRECT?

>> TRUSTEE: WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE CHANGES LIVES OR VOTE ON THE MODIFIED VERSION IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT WILL? OR, WE CAN BRING A DIFFERENT DOCUMENT AT A LATER DATE.

>> PRESIDENT: THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN FOR THE 12 WILL SCRATCH.

VP DR. SHIN LIU?

>> TRUSTEE: I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE FUTURE OF EDUCATION.

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WE ALREADY KNOW THAT COVID-19 CHANGED OUR CURRENT EDUCATION STRUCTURE.

USUALLY WE ONLY SEE 20 STUDENTS AND SO, I DON'T SEE THE FUTURE ON THE.

THE FUTURE OF OUR EDUCATION RIGHT NOW IS HEAVILY RELIED ON TECHNOLOGY.

AND WE NEED TO, WE, AS TRUSTEES OR ADMIN, WE OURSELVES NEED TO HAVE A VISION FOR THE FUTURE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE COMMUNITY, LOOK, I CANNOT TELL IF THIS IS THE FUTURE FOR 30 YEARS AND WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT WHAT TRUSTEE PEREZ SAYS.

THE UNSAFE WATER? I SHARED THIS WITH A COMMUNITY MEMBER AND THEY SAID ARE YOU KIDDING ME? YOU MEAN MY SON WENT TO THAT SCHOOL 15 YEARS AGO AND IT WAS UNSAFE WATER? I MEAN, WE PUT A LITTLE THING AND IT'S EXAGGERATED TOO MUCH AND WE DIDN'T EMPHASIZE THE FUTURE OF EDUCATION.

I BET WHOEVER WROTE THIS DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT VISION OF THE FUTURE OF THE INSTRUCTION.

IT IS HARD FOR ME TO TELL THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IN THIS TIME, DURING COVID, WE DON'T HAVE STUDENTS COMING BACK.

EVERYBODY IS HAVING A HARD TIME AND WE TELL PEOPLE, GUESS WHAT, WERE GOING TO DO THE FUTURE OF YOUR EDUCATION WE NEED $425 MILLION.

IT IS HARD.

YOU TO TRY TO DO THIS JOB.

I DON'T COMPLAIN I JUST KNOW THAT IT'S A VERY HARD JOB FOR US, THIS DOCUMENT.

>> PRESIDENT: I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE SOME GOOD POINTS BEING BROUGHT UP HERE.

I DO THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF TRUSTEES IS IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING TO PUT IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS THAT REFLECT SOMETHING THAT IS THE FUTURE OF THE INSTITUTION SHOULD REFLECT CLEARLY ON WHAT WE ARE DRIVING FOR AS AN INSTITUTION.

SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IS TESTS WELL TO THE VOTERS BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT IT REFLECTS WHAT WE ARE UP TO AND IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A SPECIAL MEETING IN ORDER TO GIVE TIME FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE THERE IS A LEGAL LOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE UPDATING THIS IN THE MOST COMPLETE AND THOUGHTFUL WAY POSSIBLE.

I THINK WE NEED TO BE HONEST AND CLEAR ABOUT WHERE WERE HEADED WITH MONIES THAT WOULD BE GENEROUSLY GIVEN TO US.

THAT BEING SAID I WANT TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT AT LEAST FOR ME I DON'T THINK WAITING AROUND FOR EVERYTHING TO RESOLVE ITSELF IS ACTUALLY A GOOD PLAN.

BECAUSE I THINK WHEREAS WE MIGHT HAVE SOME CLARITY, MAYBE, TWO YEARS FROM NOW ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO DO THINGS, A TIMELINE ON ANY EXPENDITURE IS LONG.

IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A NEW FACILITY BEFORE YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET STUDENTS IN IT IT'S GOING TO BE FIVE YEARS OUT.

IF YOU WAIT TWO YEARS THAT PUTS US SEVEN YEARS OUT.

OUR CAPACITY TO DO SOMETHING THAT OUR STUDENTS NEED SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THIS.

THE OTHER THING IS CONSTRUCTION COST ESCALATION IS MOVING FASTER THAN JUST ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW.

THE PUTTING OFF A POTENTIAL BOND MEASURE BECAUSE WE THINK THAT MIGHT BE ALL BETTER TWO YEARS FROM NOW WILL BE A VERY EXPENSIVE DECISION AND THE RESULTS WILL BE PROJECTS THAT MUST COME LATER TO ADDRESS THE INTERIM NEEDS AND WE WILL DO LESS WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAXPAYER MONEY WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT BOTHERS ME.

THOSE ARE SOME OF MY PARTING THOUGHTS ABOUT IT AND WHY I THINK IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO COME BACK WITH THE REVISED MORE SPECIFIC LEVEL OF FLEXIBILITY AND AT THE

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SAME TIME ALLOW THE INSTITUTION TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS AS THEY COME UP SO IF THERE IS ANOTHER BLACK SWAN EVENT FOR EXAMPLE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT THIS TAXPAYER MONEY TO ITS BEST USE POSSIBLE.

I DON'T WANT TO THINK THAT WE ARE BEHOLDEN TO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT THE BEST AND EFFICIENT USE OF FUNDS EITHER.

THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS I WOULD LIKE TO-

>> TRUSTEE: NO, I THINK THAT CHANGED THE LANGUAGE IS APPROPRIATE.

OBVIOUSLY ON THE RESOLUTION WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT SOME OF THE REQUESTS CAN BE ACTUALLY REINCORPORATED AND IT.

MY POINT IS THAT ON CLARIFYING, MAYBE WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB ON THAT WHAT IS IT THAT WE ARE COMMITTING? WHAT WILL IT APPEAR ON THE BALLOT ALLOWS FLEXIBILITY IS NOT IN OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE DOLLAR FOR WHATEVER WE WANT TO BUILD.

FOR INSTANCE FOR NOW THE ONLY THING WE COULD BUILD IS STUDENT SERVICES BUILDING, THE INSTRUCTIONAL BUILDING A COMMUNITY, ADULT HEAD COSMETOLOGY BUILDING INSTRUCTIONAL BUILDING B WHICH IS A FACILITY FOR COMMUNITY AT AN ADULT HEAD AND THE CAREER TECHNICAL EDUCATION BUILDING, REPLACE THE POLICE BUILDING AND THE CHILD DEVELOPMENT AND THAT HAS BEEN IN THE LAST TWO FACILITIES MASTER PLAN REMEMBER THAT WE NEVER GOT TO THAT BUILDING.

THE NEXT ONE IS THE INSTRUCTIONAL BUILDING AND THAT'S A BUILDING WE HAVE IN THE BACK BY CULINARY ARTS WHICH IS A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS PLUS AND THE STADIUM AND THE FIELDHOUSE, SO THE LANGUAGE THAT WE SEE ON THE BALLOT PROVIDES FLEXIBILITY FOR WHEN AND IF THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN CHANGE.

WHAT I WANT TO REMIND US IS THAT WE CANNOT BUILD ANYTHING THAT ISN'T HERE.

IF TOMORROW WE SAY WE WANT TO BUILD A HOCKEY FIELD IF IT ISN'T PART OF THE MASTER PLAN IT CANNOT BE PUT TOGETHER.

AND IN 2023 I THINK THAT'S WHEN OUR CURRENT FACILITY MASTER PLAN EXPIRES.

IF THESE BUILDINGS FALL OFF THE LIST THEN YES OF COURSE YOU CANNOT PUT IT ANYMORE BECAUSE OUR GUYS SHOULD BE LEGALLY, THE FACILITY MASTER PLAN.

HOWEVER, SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT ARE LISTED HERE ARE CARRIED OVER FROM THE PREVIOUS ONES.

THE CHILD DEVELOPMENT CENTER FOR EXAMPLE HAS BEEN IN THE LAST TWO WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN INTO IT AND SHOWED UP AGAIN IN THIS ONE.

THE INSTRUCTIONAL BUILDING C IS THE SAME DEAL.

IT HAS BEEN BUILDING WHICH WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY HERE IS WE CONSISTENTLY CARRYOVER SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH ON PREVIOUS MASTER PLANS.

THE OTHER PART OF IT THAT I WANT TO CLARIFY IS THE $425 MILLION THAT WAS STATED THERE AND ACTUALLY WAS THE COST ESTIMATE OF THOSE FACILITIES LISTED HERE.

THESE EIGHT DIFFERENT BUILDINGS AND AT THE MOMENT THAT WE DID THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN WITH PROJECTED ESCALATION COSTS AT THAT TIME WHICH MEANS THESE $425 MILLION LISTED THERE IS UNLIKELY TO COVER THE COST OF EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THE PLAN.

SO THE BULL OF WHAT THOSE DOLLARS WILL BE USED IS VERY LIKELY TO BE EXCLUSIVELY CONSTRUCTION EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A LEVEL OF FLEXIBILITY ON REPAIRS ON THOSE BUILDINGS.

I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.

I AM FINE IF THE BOARD WANTS TO CONSIDER THE CHANGE IN THE LANGUAGE BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REMIND OURSELVES THAT THE PLAN IS THERE AND THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE IN THE NUMBER THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS THE CALCULATION IS THE COST OF

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THE CONSTRUCTION OF WHEN THE PLAN WAS DEVELOPED ASSUMING NON-ESCALATION COSTS WILL WE EXPERIENCE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS NOT NORMAL AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE PRICE WILL DECREASE BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ONE ARE GOING TO BUILD WHAT WE SAY AND TO ITS UNLIKELY WE WILL BUILD ALL THE BUILDINGS BASED ON ESCALATION COSTS AND THREE, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN BUILD SOMETHING DIFFERENT OF WHAT IT IS HERE IS BY CHANGING THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN.

I DO THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO ALLOW YOURSELF THE FLEXIBILITY OF CHANGING THE FACILITY MASTER PLAN BECAUSE THINGS ARE CHANGING RAPIDLY AND BY THE TIME WE SPEND THE FIRST DOLLARS ON THIS IT'S PROBABLY 24.

SO GIVES THE BOARD AND THE INSTITUTION PLENTY OF TIME TO ONE, HAVE A NEW PLAN AND TO ADDRESS ANY EMERGING CONDITIONS AS A RESULT OF COVID.

SO AGAIN, FACILITIES MASTER PLAN IS ESSENTIALLY OUR COMMITMENT TO WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WE CANNOT JUST BUILD WHATEVER BASED ON THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE LANGUAGE OF WHAT IS ON THE BALLOT.

>> PRESIDENT: I APPRECIATE THAT DR. FIERRO.

IF I CAN ATTEMPT TO PARAPHRASE WHAT I HAVE HEARD ACROSS THE BOARD NO PUN INTENDED TONIGHT BUT AS MUCH AS WE KNOW WE HAVE A PLAN THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO AND IN SOME SENSE BOUND TO IS NOT NECESSARILY CLEAR IN THE LANGUAGE AS IT IS WRITTEN THAT WOULD GO IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS.

I THINK THE REQUEST WOULD BE IF ARE GOING TO HOLD A SPECIAL MEETING THAT IN THE INTERIM THERE WOULD BE AN UPDATE TO WHAT IS PUT IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS SUCH THAT IT INCLUDES AND THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION EVEN IF IT'S NOT NECESSARILY 100 PERCENT BINDING THAT YOU WOULD ONLY DO THESE FOUR THINGS AND NOTHING ELSE BUT AT LEAST GIVE THEM A CLEAR PATH ON WHAT WE INTEND TO DO WITH THE MONEY AND IF WE ARE LOOKING FOR FLEXIBILITY WE ARE ALSO CLEAR TO THEM ABOUT THAT AND TO WHAT EXTENT THAT ACTUALLY IS, I THINK THAT WILL GO A LONG WAY ESPECIALLY FROM THIS BOARD'S CAPABILITY TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE BALLOT AND UNDERSTAND WERE COMING FROM AND THEN IT REALLY HELPS THE BOARD MEMBERS IN GENERAL TO BACK THAT AND ALSO FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BACK IT BECAUSE WE HAVE RISEN TO THE OCCASION IN DEMONSTRATING THE LEVEL OF TRUST AND TRANSPARENCY THAT THEY HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW FROM US.

>> SPEAKER: THAT IS GREAT FEEDBACK BOARD PRESIDENT BIRKEY.

THE OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IS WHAT IS ACTUALLY ON THE BALLOT, I WANT TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT THERE IS A WORD COUNT LIMIT SO WE HAVE TO BE CREATIVE IN WHAT WE PUT ON THERE BECAUSE IT WOULD THEN LIMIT OUR ABILITY OR THE BOARD'S ABILITY TO BUILD THINGS.

I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE COMMENTS ARE COMING FORWARD AND AT THE SAME TIME I WOULD ALSO BE AWARE THAT THERE IS A BALLOT WORD LIMITATION ON THEIR AND THE ACTUAL BALLOT DRAFT THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU IS THAT IT IS PART OF THE RESOLUTION.

THE RESOLUTION ISN'T WHAT THE VOTERS SEE IT'S THE BALLOT LANGUAGE AND I FORGET THE ACTUAL WORD COUNT I WANT TO SAY IT'S 72 WORDS IS THE ACTUAL WORD COUNT ON THEIR AND I BELIEVE OUR PROPOSAL WORD COUNT ACTUALLY CAME OUT TO 71 WORDS.

>> PRESIDENT: PERHAPS IT COULD BE REWRITTEN IN THE EXHIBIT A PORTION NOT WILDLY BUT TO BE SOMEWHAT MORE SPECIFIC AND THEN IN EXHIBIT B THE FULL TEXT OF THE BALLOT PROPOSITION PERHAPS THAT'S AN AREA WHERE WE COULD HAVE THE REVISION?

>> SPEAKER: OKAY.

>> PRESIDENT: THANK YOU.

TRUSTEE DR. SALAZAR?

>> TRUSTEE: I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS.

I GUESS WE ARE MIXING SOME IDEAS.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE LANGUAGE ON THE BALLOT MEASURE OR THE

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RESOLUTION? MY QUESTION TO MY COLLEAGUES IS ARE WE IN FAVOR OF PASSING A BOND AND THEN FIGURING OUT WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS GOING TO BE OR ARE WE GOING TO TRY TO CONVINCE OURSELVES OF THE LANGUAGE THAT IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE BOND.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BALLOT IN THE RESOLUTION AND IN REALITY THEY ARE SEPARATE THINGS.

ARE THEY IN FAVOR OF PUTTING THIS ON THE BALLOT OR NOT? WE KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE SPENT ON WE KNOW THE NEEDS OF THE COLLEGE.

I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A QUESTION OF WHAT THE LANGUAGE WILL BE TO THE COMMUNITY BUT ARE WE AS A BOARD IN FAVOR OF ASKING FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HELP FUND XYZ AT THE COLLEGE? TO ME IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT THE ISSUE IS AND I AGREE WITH TRUSTEE PEREZ AND THIS IS MORE LANGUAGE IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOLDING US ACCOUNTABLE AND MAKING SURE IT CREATES JOBS FOR THE COMMUNITY, THE PLA COMMUNITY USE AND THEN STUDENT USE BECAUSE I AGREE I DIDN'T SEE 20 STUDENTS, I SAW ONE OR TWO.

WHERE ARE THE STUDENTS? SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO STOP ME FROM ASKING THE COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT THE NEEDS OF THE COLLEGE BUT THOSE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO ADDRESS AND WERE NOT GOING TO FIX THEM TONIGHT OR WHETHER OR NOT WE PUT THIS OUT FOR A BOND OR ON THE BALLOT OR NOT.

TO ME IT IS NOT CLEAR.

ARE WE IN FAVOR OR NOT? IS THE ISSUE THE RESOLUTION LANGUAGE? NOT EVEN AT THE POINT WHERE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE LANGUAGE ON THE BALLOT.

THAT IS LIKE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THE QUESTION IS ARE WE IN FAVOR OR NOT? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING AND TALK ABOUT LANGUAGE OR ARE WE IN FAVOR ARE NOT? SO, IS TRUSTEE PACHECO SAYING YES WE WILL NEED STUFF IN THE FUTURE AND I AGREE WITH BOARD PRESIDENT BIRKEY.

WELL, WE NEED TO START LOOKING AHEAD BECAUSE IF WE DECIDE THAT WE NEED THE MONEY IT MIGHT BE TOO LATE OR WE ARE FOR FIVE YEARS BEHIND.

IF WE DON'T PUT IT IN NO WOULD HAVE TO GO PRESIDENTIAL, RIGHT?

>> SPEAKER: YES, 2024.

>> TRUSTEE: SO WE ARE ALREADY LOSING TWO YEARS.

I KNOW THAT COVID HAS BROUGHT UNCERTAINTY BUT THE NEEDS OF THE CAMPUS IS STILL HERE THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS STILL HERE RIGHT? IN TERMS OF THE BUILDING? THERE ARE ISSUES WE NEED TO ADDRESS OR NOT ADDRESSING THIS IN THE RESOLUTION AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE AS LEADERS TO HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE CAN'T SOLVE IT ALL ON THIS ONE ITEM NO MATTER WHAT THE LANGUAGES.

>> PRESIDENT: BECAUSE YOU RAISE AN IMPORTANT QUESTION MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE NEED TO SUBMIT EXHIBIT A AND EXHIBIT B BY AUGUST 12.

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT.

>> TRUSTEE: BUT THAT'S ONLY RESOLUTION TO SAY WERE GOING TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT: NOT THE BALLOT LANGUAGE FOR AUGUST?

>> TRUSTEE: MAY I CHIME IN? LET ME TALK ELECTIONS.

FIRST OF ALL IS A TIMELINE, AUGUST 12 AND THAT THE DEADLINE BY THE COUNTY STANDARDS AND THE ELECTION CODES THAT WE FOLLOW.

THE BALLOT LABEL OR THE LANGUAGE INSIDE THE ACTUAL BALLOT BOX IS 75 WORDS MAXIMUM AND THAT IS THE LANGUAGE ITSELF.

AND THAT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT NEEDS TO BE COUNTED AS WELL CURED MY CONCERN IS NOT NECESSARILY THE RESOLUTION OR THE LANGUAGE I THINK MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IT IS REALLY JUST DESCRIBING TO THE COMMUNITY WHAT IT IS WERE GOING TO DO.

RIGHT? I THINK BOTH THE TRUSTEE PEREZ AND TRUSTEE DR. SALAZAR ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THIS.

I THINK WE HAVE DONE A LOT WITH WHAT WE HAD WHICH IS THE AMOUNT OF COST AND EXUBERANT IS ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION AT THIS POINT.

NO ONE THAT IT IS MORE COST-EFFECTIVE TO DO IT THAT WAY WHEN WE HAVE AN ELECTION.

THE RESOLUTION IS ADMINISTRATIVE AND THAT ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO KNOW THAT WE WANT TO PLACE IT ON THE BALLOT WE WANT THE MEASURE ON THE BALLOT IN THE MEASURE ITSELF MUST BE IN THOSE GUIDELINES.

WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE COMPONENT TO THE COUNTY IS CERTAINLY THE LANGUAGE OF THE COUNTY.

WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS EVERYONE FEELING COMFORTABLE REALLY WITH WHAT WE ARE

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ASKING AND ASKING OUR VOTERS TO DO BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY COVID HAS REALLY SPIRALED DOWN A LOT OF FINANCES FOR MANY FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY.

I THINK ADDING MORE TO MIGHT OWN TAX BILL WE'VE GOT TWO KIDS GOING TO COLLEGE AND IT IS GOING TO IMPACT OBVIOUSLY LONG-TERM WHAT I'M GOING TO DO AND WHAT I CHOOSE TO DO IN MY FINANCES AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS BUT ONLY LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING TO BE COST-EFFECTIVE THE IS GOING TO EITHER THIS OR IN 2024 IT'S GOING TO BE MORE COST-EFFECTIVE.

I AM REALLY CONCERNED KNOWING WHAT OUR STUDENTS PREFER, IN SOME CASES THEY WANT TO BE FULLY ONLINE.

FOR A VERY LONG TIME I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT SHORTENING OUR COURSES SO THAT WE CAN ACCELERATE THE AMOUNT OF STUDENTS THAT MOVE THROUGH THE CAMPUS MOVING THEM FROM A COMMUNITY CAMPUS TO PAY FOR YOUR SCHOOL WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THERE QUICKER.

WE ARE COMPETING WITH A LOT OF THE FOR-PROFIT SCHOOLS AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT.

FOLKS DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME ON HER HAND AND AS WE ARTY KNOW THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE STUDENTS ARE WORKING PARENTS, WORKING STUDENTS AND THERE'S A LOT OF NEED RIGHT NOW PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO TRYING TO MAKING ENDS MEET.

RENT IS EXCESSIVELY HIGH.

HOUSING IS EXCESSIVELY HIGH.

CALIFORNIA IS EXCESSIVELY EXPENSIVE WHEN IT COMES TO SECURING HOUSING.

KNOWING ALL OF THOSE THINGS I AGREE WITH TRUSTEE PEREZ WE SHOULD HAVE MORE PARAMETERS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE.

I'M OKAY WITH HAVING A SPECIAL MEETING IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO ADDRESS IT BUT WE DEFINITELY HAVE A TIMELINE AND AUGUST 12 IS IT.

THAT'S THE LAST TIME WE CAN TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WERE GOING TO DO.

I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESOLUTION THAT'S JUST THE ADMINISTRATIVE COMPONENT TO PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT WITH APPROVAL HERE THAT IS LIKE WE ARE APPROVING AT THE COUNTY KNOWS WE ARE APPROVING IT HERE'S THE RESOLUTION THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE RAISED IN REGARDS TO ARE WE ADDRESSING TECHNOLOGY? THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE FOR STUDENTS IS AFFORDABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY OF DOING THINGS ONLINE.

YOU DON'T SEE STUDENTS ON CAMPUS THAT MUCH BECAUSE MANY STUDENTS HAVE FOUND THE FACILITY WITH REMOTE COURSES THEY DON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL AND SPEND ANY ON GAS TO GET CAMPUS.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO EXTRA WORK TO GET THE BUS TO GET ONTO CAMPUS.

WE HAVE TWO SHIFT OUR THINKING TO NOT ONLY BRICK-AND-MORTAR BUT THE ACCESS TO COURSES AND THE OTHER TYPES OF FORMS SUCH AS NOT JUST ONLINE BUT OTHER AVENUES THAT WE CAN SEEK TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION AND BE ABLE TO DELIVER IT WITH CONTINUITY THAT OUR STUDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

WE HAVE TO STARTS FOCUSING ON THAT AND NOT JUST THE BRICK-AND-MORTAR COMPONENT OF THE.

I KNOW THAT DR. FIERRO TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AND I'M FINE WITH HAVING THE SPECIALTY MEETING BUT WE HAVE TO STICK TO THE GUIDELINES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE IN TERMS OF THOSE DATES.

THANK YOU FOR THE FLOOR I APPRECIATE IT.

>> PRESIDENT: THANK YOU TRUSTEE AVALOS.

DR. FIERRO?

>> TRUSTEE: WE CAN CERTAINLY IF THE BOARD WANTS TO CONSIDER THIS, OBVIOUSLY A SCHEDULE OF A BOARD MEETING, A SPECIAL MEETING JUST LISTENING TO BOTH TRUSTEE AVALOS AND TRUSTEE DR. SALAZAR, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF POINTS THERE.

ONE ON THE LENGTH OF THE BALLOT LANGUAGE AND BEFORE STATE MIGHT COMMENTS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY TRUSTEE AVALOS.

IT'S THE COMPONENT TO BE ALLOWED TO PLACE THE BALLOT IS NOT ANYTHING BEYOND THAT.

AM I CORRECT? THE TWO OF THAT'S CORRECT AND THEY SHOULD HAVE MORE SPECIFICALLY THE QUESTIONS FOR THE VOTERS SO THAT THE COUNTY KNOWS WHAT IT IS YOU ARE PROPOSING AND THAT WILL BE SCRUTINIZED FOR 75 WORDS MAXIMUM SO THE BALLOT BOX WHEN YOU SEE IT ON THE ACTUAL BALLOT IS IMPORTANT AND IF YOU INCLUDE A TITLE ON THAT THEN THE TITLE IS INCLUDED IN THE BALLOT BOX.

>> TRUSTEE: ESSENTIALLY WHAT WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY MODIFY

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A VISUAL FOR THE VOTER AND THAT IS WHAT IS A, 75 WORD.

>> TRUSTEE: CRACK THAT'S IT.

>> TRUSTEE: AND THAT WOULD BE IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD SHOW UP ON THE BALLOT.

WE HAVE TO PREPARE A PARTIAL ANALYSIS.

ONCE IT GETS SUBMITTED YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS ANALYSIS AND THEN YOU ALLOW PEOPLE TO EITHER SUBMIT AN ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OR AN ARGUMENT AGAINST.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE THAT CALENDAR TIME SPECIFICALLY I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT NOW WITH ME BUT I KNOW THERE'S A TIMELINE FOR THAT AND THE DEADLINE FOR THAT IS SEPTEMBER 1.

>> TRUSTEE: SO AGAIN WE CAN DO AS THE BOARD DIRECTS HOWEVER IF DURING THE MEETING THERE IS A DESIRE WE WILL SCHEDULE THE MEETING OF COURSE HOWEVER, IF THERE IS THE DESIRE OF MAKING OR REMOVING OR ADDING REMEMBER IF WE REMOVE WE CAN ADD THAT WE CANNOT ADD IF WE DON'T REMOVE THE CURRENT LANGUAGE, WE COULD DO THAT NOW ALL WE COULD OBVIOUSLY NOT CONSIDERATE PERIOD BUT TO THE POINT OF TRUSTEE DR. SALAZAR IF WE ARE LOOKING TO CONSIDER, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY MOVE INTO THE SPECIAL MEETING OR MAKE A CORRECTION HERE SINCE WE CAN ONLY DO EXHIBIT A.

IT SEEMS THAT I WAS COUNTING THE WORDS AND IF I MISCOUNTED WE WERE AT THE LIMIT AND WE HAVE TO REMOVE?

>> PRESIDENT: WE WILL LOSE NUMBER 4 PROVIDE SAFE DRINKING WATER.

I THINK UNFORTUNATELY, TRUSTEE PEREZ SHOULD BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION AND SHE'S NOT HERE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ANYTHING SHE IS INVOLVED WITH THAT ESPECIALLY IF IT IS HIGHLY RESTRICTIVE ELEMENT LIKE THIS.

I PERSONALLY BELIEVE WE SHOULD DATE EVERYTHING AND VOTE ON THAT JUST BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TO DO AND I DON'T WANT TO TRY TO RUSH AT ALL TONIGHT ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO THE LANGUAGE IN EXHIBIT A WHAT APPEARS ON THE BALLOT AND THEN I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT MY COLLEAGUES TO THE LEFT HAVE SAID AND WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE SPECIFIC IN EXHIBIT D ON THE TYPES OF THINGS WE INTEND TO DO IN THIS AGAIN, EVEN IF IT'S NOT EXTRAORDINARILY RESTRICTIVE SO THAT WE CAN'T ADJUST IF NEED BE BUT IT SPECIFIC TO SHOW PEOPLE WHAT WE EXPECT TO DO.

WE HAVE CLARITY THAT WE HAVE INCLUDED SOME LEVEL OF FLEXIBILITY AND WHY SO THAT THERE'S NO BAIT AND SWITCH AND THERE'S NO KIND OF BETWEEN THE LINE BEING WE CAN BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE ARE THINK BEING AND LET PEOPLE VOTE ON THAT.

>> TRUSTEE: IF I COULD SUGGEST THIS BACK WITH MAYBE THREE OPTIONS FOR THE BALLOT LANGUAGE I WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT DR. FIERRO.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO BRING BACK A CALENDAR THAT THE BOARD COULD LOOK AT AS WELL IN TERMS OF WHAT THE TIMELINE WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR US ON WHEN WE CAN HAVE OUR SPECIAL BOARD MEETING BUT AGAIN THE RESOLUTION IS THE ADMINISTRATIVE COMPONENT SO THAT THE COUNTY COULD HAVE THAT TO PLACE ON THE MEASURE BALLOT.

THE LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE VERY SPECIFIC IN TERMS OF THE WORDING AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THE WORD COUNT ON THAT DR. FIERRO AND IT'S GOOD TO COME UP WITH A DATE ON WHEN WE WANT TO MEET AND SOME OPTIONS LIKE HERE IS OPTION A, OPTION B AND OPTION C.

IT WOULD BE WITHIN THE 75 WORD UPDATE.

>> PRESIDENT: I PROPOSE THAT IF WE ARE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING - >> TRUSTEE: THANK YOU TRUSTEE DR. SALAZAR FOR MENTIONING THAT, THE PROBLEM IS NOT JUST THE WORDING OF THE RESOLUTION, WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER CONCERN AND THAT'S THE TIMING BECAUSE WE ALL

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KNOW THAT WE ARE VERY LIKELY TO END UP WITH THE RECEPTION.

HE DIDN'T EVEN SEE CLEARLY AND YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY MEMBER WAS PANICKED, TOO BECAUSE VERY LIKE THE WE WERE GOING TO GO TO THAT.

FOR THIS, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD TIMING.

>> PRESIDENT: OKAY.

DOCTOR SALAZAR?

>> TRUSTEE: I WANTED TO SEE, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE DR. FIERRO ALL THIS WORK IF PEOPLE ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS BECAUSE TO COME UP WITH THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF WORDING WE ARE FOCUSING ON THE WORDING BUT I'M TRYING TO FOCUS ON THE BIG PICTURE LIKE ARE WE IN FAVOR? LIKE VP DR. SHIN LIU SAID IT MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD TIME BECAUSE OF WHERE WE ARE AND SHOULD WE DO THIS BEFORE WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PASS IT? THE QUESTION IS SHOULD WE DO AN UNOFFICIAL POLL TO SEE IF THE LANGUAGE WAS APPROPRIATE? ARE YOU IN FAVOR IN GENERAL? WE CAN'T SAY BECAUSE OF THE WORDING WERE NOT GOING TO PUT ON THE BALLOT.

>> PRESIDENT: I APPRECIATE THAT TRUSTEE DR. SALAZAR.

YOU'RE SAYING WHY PUT IN ALL THE WORK IF WERE NOT GOING THROUGH WITH IT ANYWAY? THE TWO RIGHT.

AS TRUSTEE PEREZ SAID WE HAVE MULTIPLE MEETINGS TO DISCUSS ACCOUNTABILITY AND WHAT TO USE THE MONEY FOR ETC., ETC. TO ADJUST THE MASTER PLAN.

WE HAVE ALL THIS TIME TO DO IT AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO STOP US BUT THE ISSUE IS ARE WE IN FAVOR OR NOT? THE OTHER CRITICAL PIECE IS EXHIBIT A WHICH IS THE 75 WORD COUNT ON THE BALLOT BUT AGAIN ARE WE IN FAVOR? THAT IS STEP ONE.

>> PRESIDENT: LET ME TRY TO UNPACK THAT A LITTLE BIT.

ONE IS THAT WE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE BE CLEAR TO THE VOTERS ABOUT WHAT WERE GOING TO PUT FORWARD.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE WRITTEN IS NOT THERE.

IT IS CLOSE.

THERE IS A LEVEL OF INTEREST AROUND THE BOARD FOR THAT.

I AM IN FAVOR OF PUTTING SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS BECAUSE PHILOSOPHICALLY MY FEELING IS IT IS UNFAIR FOR THE VOTERS TO DECIDE FOR THEM.

IF WE DECIDE FOR THEM AHEAD OF TIME THAT THEY DON'T WANT IT THAT IS ALSO NOT REALLY DEMOCRACY IN ACTION.

WE WOULD BE EFFECTIVELY VETOING THIS INVESTMENT IN THE COLLEGE.

I THINK WE PUT THIS OFF LAST TIME TWO YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS IN FRONT OF US AND WE WERE SAYING HEY, THIS IS UNKNOWN.

WE THINK WE MIGHT BE HEADING TOWARDS A RECESSION.

THE RECESSION NEVER CAME.

MET A LOT OF TURMOIL BUT NOW IT COMES TO THE QUESTION AGAIN.

ARE WE ALSO AFRAID OF PUTTING THIS IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS? I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SPEAKING FOR EVERYBODY BUT MY READ IS I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE PUTTING THIS IN FRONT OF VOTERS IF WE WERE MORE CLEAR ON WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR.

AND THEN BE VERY TRANSPARENT AND LETTING THEM DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO TAKE ON THIS TASK.

TRUSTEE LEWIS?

>> TRUSTEE: JD ESQUIRE THERE YOU GO.

THEY NEVER CALL LAWYERS DOCTORS TODAY? IT'S A PROBLEM.

SO, IF WE WERE TO TAKE YOUR ARGUMENT MR. PRESIDENT AND SAY WE NEED TO PUT THIS ON FRONT OF THE VOTERS WHY WOULDN'T WE PUT A BOND IN FRONT OF THEM EVERY SINGLE YEAR ASKING THEM FOR AN INVESTMENT? WE DO THIS EVERY TWO YEARS FOR THAT INSTANCE WE NEED TO TAKE A LOT MORE TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT TO CHANGE IN THE MASTER PLAN BEFORE WE ASK THE VOTERS TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT WILL BE UP HERE FOR 50 TO 60 YEARS OR MORE.

I'D RATHER WAIT TWO YEARS TO GET SOMETHING RIGHT THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF STUDENTS IN 2024 AND BEYOND TO RUSH THROUGH THE BALLOT THAT HAS VERY LITTLE INFLEXIBILITY

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THAT WE ARE ASKING THE VOTERS TO PUT 100 PERCENT FAITH AND NOT JUST US BUT ALL OF OUR SUCCESSORS TO COME TO MAKE MY POSITION CLEAR I GUESS WE NEED TO TAKE A LOT MORE TIME ON THIS MASTER PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT WERE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN FRONT OF US WOULD NOT BE ADEQUATELY RESEARCHED AND DONE BECAUSE IT IS SOME THING THAT IS DONE BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAD SAID TAKE A LOT MORE TIME TO REVIEW EXACTLY WHAT OUR STUDENT NEED AND WE SAW A FEW WEEKS AGO MAYBE COUPLE MONTHS AGO THAT STUDENTS WHO ARE ON ONLINE CLASSES DO 20 PERCENT WORSE ACADEMICALLY THAN THEY DO IN PERSON IT EVEN THOUGH THE STUDENTS MAY FEEL LIKE IT'S MORE CONVENIENT TO HAVE CLASSES ON CAMPUS IT'S CLEAR THAT THEY DON'T ACTUALLY SUCCEED AND OUR JOB HERE AT CERRITOS COLLEGE IS TO MAKE SURE THEY SUCCEED IN THEIR TRANSFER AND DO WELL AT A FOUR-YEAR UNIVERSITY OR ANY OF THE OTHER TRADES OR CAREER PATHS THAT THEY MAY CHOOSE.

SO, I THINK WE COULD HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING TO DISCUSS IT WITH THINGS LIKE THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS AND I KNOW WE HAVE ASKED FOR A REVISION TO THE MASTER PLAN AND LOOKING AT WHAT WE COULD CHANGE IN THE MASTER PLAN FROM 2019 WE JUST HAD A $425 MILLION BLANK CHECK IN FRONT OF US SO I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER TRUSTEES? ALL RIGHT.

DO I NEED TO PUT A MOTION ON THE TABLE IN ORDER TO HAVE THIS COME BACK IN A SPECIAL MEETING? CAN WE DO IT, DO WE HAVE TO DO IT IN PERSON? IS THERE ANY KIND OF REQUIREMENT? I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE MEETINGS IN THE LAST FEW YEARS HAVE BEEN HYBRID.

>>.IT MAKES NO SENSE.

I AGREE WITH TRUSTEE DR. SALAZAR.

IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR THEM TO DO ALL THIS WORK.

ARE WE IN FAVOR OF GOING AHEAD AND PUTTING IT TO THE VOTERS? I KNOW THAT THE TRUSTEE IS NOT IN FAVOR AND HE WANTS TO WAIT TWO YEARS.

BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE TIME TO DO THAT HERE THE QUESTION IS THE REST OF US ARE WE IN FAVOR OR NOT IN FAVOR? BECAUSE THEY CAN PUT ALL THE WORK IN.

>> PRESIDENT: I SAID MY PART.

>> TRUSTEE: I AM IN FAVOR AS LONG AS I CAN SEE - >> TRUSTEE: IN FULL TRANSPARENCY WE CAN REVISIT THE LANGUAGE AND BRING IT TOMORROW EVENING AND WE DON'T HAVE TO SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING IT'S JUST A CONTINUATION OF THIS MEETING.

WE CAN GET THAT LANGUAGE AND ALL THOSE PIECES CORRECTLY.

WE CAN DO IS HAVE A NEW MASTER PLAN BECAUSE THAT IS A VERY INVOLVED PROCESS THAT GOES THROUGH THE ENTIRE MODEL AND THAT PART I CANNOT COMMIT TO GIVE YOU I CAN ONLY BASE IT ON WHAT IS APPROVED.

WE WILL PUT JIMMY ON THE SPOT WITH THE BACKGROUND OF WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THAT SO WE ARE AWARE OF WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DELIVER TO YOU TO CORRECT THE LANGUAGE FOR ANOTHER MEETING?

>> TRUSTEE: WE COULD DO IT WITH THE CURRENT MASTER PLAN WITH WHATEVER OUR CURRENT MASTER PLAN IS.

AND THEN SAY SOMEONE COMES IN AND WE AGREE TO YOUR NEW MASTER PLAN.

THEN IT BECOMES OUR CURRENT MASTER PLAN.

AS LONG AS THE LANGUAGES THERE THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO BASED ON THE CURRENT MASTER PLAN WHATEVER IT MAY BE WE ARE ACTUALLY OPERATING OFF OF OUR CURRENT MASTER PLAN AND IF LATER ON YOU COME UP WITH A NEW MASTER PLAN AND WE ALL AGREE THE THAT MASTER PLAN IS WHERE WE WANT TO GO THEN WE VOTE IT IN AND IT BECOMES OUR

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CURRENT MASTER PLAN AND ARE IN FULL COMMITMENT OF OUR BONDS BECAUSE WE ARE OPERATING OFF OF OUR CURRENT MASTER PLAN.

IN MY WRONG?

>> TRUSTEE: NO AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN EXPLAIN WHAT WE CAN BRING TO YOU IF WE DECIDE TO SCHEDULE ANOTHER MEETING.

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE AN EXPECTATION THAT I CAN MOVE THE PROJECT BECAUSE I CAN'T.

IF YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON WHAT WE FOUND?

>> SPEAKER: YES, MANAGER HERE THANK YOU DR. FIERRO AND BOARD FOR ALLOWING ME TO RAISE MY HAND TO SPEAK.

FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, ONE POINT I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR IS YOUR CURRENT FACILITIES MASTER PLAN CAPTURES I THINK EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT.

I'M NOT SAYING THE WORD THAT STARTS WITH AN F BUT YOU CAN MAKE TECHNOLOGY IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT IS IN THE MASTER PLAN ALREADY.

SAFETY AND SECURITY.

VERY BROAD, RIGHT? THE DIFFERENT SAFETY MEASURES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ON THE CAMPUS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS OR CAMPUS SECURITY.

WITH THE BOARD PROPOSING A CONTRACT IS A 9 TO 12 MONTH PROCESS WITH ALL THE CAMPUS INVOLVEMENT IN IT IN ORDER TO UPDATE THAT AND GET IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

AGAIN, THE CURRENT PLAN ALREADY INCLUDES ALL OF THOSE HOT POINTS AND WORDS OF THE TRUSTEES MENTIONED TONIGHT.

I THINK IN TAKING THE SPECIFICITY.

>> PRESIDENT: IN LATITUDE?

>> SPEAKER: HAVING THE LATITUDE OF THE BOND LANGUAGE WHAT YOU ARE SIGNING UP FOR WITH THE VOTERS AND THE DETAILS OF THE MASTER PLAN FINDING SOME HAPPY MEDIUM FOR THAT LANGUAGE FOR THE BOARD TO DISCUSS AND IDEALLY AGREE UPON I THINK YOU CAN DO THAT AND IT IS JUST A MATTER OF CHOOSING TO VOTE.

>> PRESIDENT: SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE IS JUST NOT REFLECTED IN THE DOCUMENT BUT THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY.

TRUSTEE LEWIS?

>> TRUSTEE: THE MASTER PLAN IS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE 2019?

>> SPEAKER: NO, IT IS A ROD - >> TRUSTEE: I KNOW YOU'RE THERE ARE PROBABLY CERTAIN ASPECTS OF IT THAT WE WANT WE WANT TO REMOVE ASBESTOS, WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE DRAINING AND ELECTRICITY OF COURSE.

I LOVE THAT WE DO THAT AND WE SHOULD BE DOING IT.

BUT WHAT I AM ASKING FOR IS A CHANGE IN THE MASTER PLAN TO REFLECT THE CURRENT WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN HAS FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED OUR CAMPUS IN THE WAY THAT WE ONLY SEE FIVE, SIX, SEVEN STUDENTS COME ACROSS ON CAMPUS.

WE NEED TO MODIFY I'M NOT ASKING FOR A THEORETICAL BUILDING TO BE DEMOLISHED BUT TO CHANGE IT TO REFLECT WHAT THAT NEW ONLINE FOR KILLAM IS GOING TO BE.

WE WANT STUDENTS TO COME BACK TO CAMPUS WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE 20 PERCENT WORSE THAN WHAT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IN THIS MASTER PLAN.

OF COURSE IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN A WEEK.

>> TRUSTEE: NO BUT IF WE SAY WE ARE OPERATING OFF OF OUR CURRENT MASTER PLAN AND THEN IN NINE MONTHS THEY BRING US A NEW MASTER PLAN THAT WILL GIVE YOU EXACTLY WHAT THE CHANGE IS AND WE APPROVE IT AS A BOARD AND OUR CURRENT MASTER PLAN WE ARE NOT VIOLATING ANYTHING.

WE ARE OPERATING OFF OF OUR CURRENT MASTER PLAN.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

>> TRUSTEE: BASED ON THAT THE ONE PERSON OR ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO DOESN'T CHANGE ALONG WITH THAT IS THE COMMUNITY.

YOU ARE ASKING THEM ON NOVEMBER 8, 2022 OR THE MONTH PRIOR FOR THEM TO GO BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW NOW INTO GIVE US $425 MILLION AND TELLING THEM THE PLAN COULD COMPLETELY CHANGE WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO LOOK AT.

>> PRESIDENT: YOUR GIVING FOLKS AN IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION FOR THE BOARD TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

>> TRUSTEE: BUT IT'S THE POINT THEY'RE ASKING US TO HAVE THEM GIVE US A BLANK CHECK BECAUSE WERE CHANGING THE MASTER PLAN HERE THAT'S THE EXACT POINT.

>> TRUSTEE: WE WILL ALWAYS BE UP DATING THE MASTER PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS.

WE CAN'T PUT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THE CONSTITUENTS AND WE CAN'T UPDATE THE MASTER PLAN AND AT THE SAME TIME WE CAN'T HAVE A BONDS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE

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UP DATING THE MASTER PLAN.

WE WILL NEVER HAVE ANY MONEY TO DO ANYTHING REGARDLESS OF THE MASTER PLAN.

WE SHOULDN'T EVEN BOTHER WITH THE EFFORT.

>> TRUSTEE: I WENT THROUGH TWO OF THE BONDS.

AND AT THAT TIME OUR BUILDINGS NEED CHANGE.

WHEN WE GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY EVERYONE WILL AGREE.

AND NOW WE GO TO THE COMMUNITY WHAT DO THEY SAY? YOUR CAMPUS HAS SO MANY BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW AND NOW WE TELL THEM NO, YOU ARE WRONG, WE WERE DRINKING DIRTY WATER AND WE HAVE A SEWAGE PROBLEM.

AND WHAT WILL THEY SAY? TWO BONDS YOU DIDN'T FIX THAT? WE WENT THROUGH TWO BONDS, THE SECOND BOND SHOULD AFFIX THAT WATER PROBLEM.

>> TRUSTEE: BUT DR. FIERRO WASN'T HERE!

[LAUGHTER] >> TRUSTEE: I WENT TO BONDS, THE TWO BONDS OVER THERE WAS MUCH CLEAR THAN THIS.

WHEN WE GO TO THE COMMUNITY OF COURSE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST.

THERE'S ALWAYS PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO PAY TAX BUT IT'S GOING TO BE EASIER FOR US TO TELL PEOPLE IF WE SACRIFICE WE PAY TAX AND WE ACTUALLY BUILT OUR CHILDREN, THIS IS THEIR FUTURE.

IT WAS MUCH EASIER FOR US.

LOOK, I WENT THROUGH TWO BONDS THAT I HAD TO FACE.

I WAS ABLE TO PERSUADE.

I DON'T THINK I CAN DO THIS BECAUSE I CANNOT PERSUADE MYSELF ALREADY.

WE ALREADY CHANGED A LOT OF BUILDINGS AND I ALREADY HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE TELL ME.

I AM SORRY YOU MAY FEEL THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE MONEY RIGHT NOW AND IN THE FUTURE BUT WE DON'T HAVE MONEY RIGHT NOW BOARD PRESIDENT BIRKEY.

>> PRESIDENT: I APPRECIATE THAT.

TRUSTEE DR. SALAZAR?

>> TRUSTEE: BUT TO PUT IT ON RECORD WE DID CHOOSE TO NOT ON THE BOND TWO YEARS AGO.

SO NOW WE ARE HERE TWO YEARS LATER AND WE NEED TO DECIDE AGAIN.

I AM IN FAVOR BECAUSE WE HAVE A CURRENT MASTER PLAN, RIGHT? IT IS GOING TO EXPIRE IN 2023.

WE REVISIT IT THEN AND THEN WE ADOPT A NEW ONE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE NEEDS ARE IN MIGHT BE THE SAME AND MAYBE IT CHANGES.

WE HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT OUR STUDENTS NEED.

AND THEN JIMMY MENTIONED WHAT WAS IT A 9 TO 12 MONTH PERIOD? THE PROCESS OF - PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WHICH PUTS US IN THE SAME BOAT AGAIN WHICH IS GOING TO SAY WE DON'T HAVE A MASTER PLAN IT EXPIRES IN 2023 TO UPDATE THE MASTER PLAN IT PUTS US UP AGAINST THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND NOW WE ARE THREE CYCLES IN AND WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING.

CORRECT?

>> PRESIDENT: SO WHY HAVEN'T WE UPDATED THE MASTER PLAN NOW?

>> TRUSTEE: BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD A STUDY SESSION ABOUT IT.

>> PRESIDENT: WHY NOT START THAT PROCESS NOW? OR SIX MONTHS AGO OR NINE OR 12 MONTHS AGO TO HAVE IT AVAILABLE FOR WHAT WE KNEW WOULD BE A POTENTIAL BOND ELECTION IN NOVEMBER?

>> PRESIDENT: I WOULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT 12 MONTHS AGO IF WE WERE TO HAVE SOMETHING READY 12 MONTHS AGO WOULD'VE BEEN MID 2021 THAT WOULD'VE BEEN OUT OF CYCLE IT WOULD'VE BEEN THREE YEARS AND 75.

WE WERE NOT DEALING WITH THESE ISSUES IN MID 2021.

>> TRUSTEE: WE WERE DEALING WITH A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES LIKE CLOSURE, THIS, THAT THE MANDATE.

THERE WAS SO MUCH GOING ON AT THAT TIME THERE WAS NO WAY THAT YOU COULD DO LOGISTICALLY REALLY WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND HOW YOU SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.

>> PRESIDENT: WE ARE STILL DEALING WITH SOME OF THE SAME PROBLEMATIC DISCUSSIONS HERE WHICH IS BASICALLY WE SHOULD KNOW THE FUTURE WHAT WE NEED BEFORE WE MAKE DECISIONS ON HAVING FUNDING.

IT'S LIKE SAYING DON'T GO TO THE GAS STATION UNTIL YOU MAP OUT EVERYWHERE GOING TO GO IN YOUR CAR RIGHT? MY ARGUMENT WOULD BE WE KNOW THE KINDS OF THINGS ARE GOING TO DO THE PLAN OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO ACTUALLY PUT GAS IN THE CAR BUT WE ALSO NEED FLEXIBILITY TO GET

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OUT OF IT TRAFFIC JAM AND TAKE A DIFFERENT FREEWAY.

MY ARGUMENT WOULD BE AND WERE GOING TO COME BACK TO THIS IN A WEEK I CAN ALREADY TELL THAT MY ARGUMENT WOULD BE WAITING AROUND UNTIL YOU HAVE ENOUGH DATE TO THE MASTER PLAN DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY PUT YOU IN A BETTER POSITION BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO YOU LOSE TIME AND MONEY LIKE A LOT OF MONEY BUT YOU ALSO IF YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO LOCK INTO ONLY DOING THAT THERE'S A LEVEL OF IRRESPONSIBILITY TO THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THE RIGHT THING AS IT'S PRESENTED AND THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING WHERE YOU REALLY WASTE TAXPAYER MONEY.

I THINK IT REALLY IS ABOUT FINDING A BALANCE BETWEEN BEING VERY CLEAR WITH THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT OUR PLAN IS FOR THE RESOLUTION FROM EXHIBIT A IS NOT CLEAR YET ABOUT WHAT WE ARE HONESTLY PROPOSING TO DO.

THEN AT THE SAME TIME MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF THEM INCLUDES BOTH THE THINGS THAT WE ARE 90 PLUS PERCENT CERTAIN WHAT WERE DOING WITH THE MONEY AND THEN A LEVEL OF CLARITY THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE LATITUDE TO INCLUDE AN UP DATED MASTER PLAN THAT REFLECTS IT MUST'VE BEEN A PROCESS THAT INCLUDES AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF WORK WITH THE FACULTY ON HOW THEY TEACH THESE STUDIES, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE COMMUNITIES AND PUT IN A HUGE AMOUNT OF STUDENT INPUT AND THAT'S WHY IT TAKES SO LONG.

IT REALLY IS THIS GRASSROOTS EFFORT THAT HOLES IN ALL THESE ELEMENTS ACROSS OUR CAMPUS COMMUNITY AND THEN TAKES THE BEST PRACTICES AND LEARNING FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE FOLKS ON HOW THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH THOSE THINGS AND CREATES A REAL PROCESS OF HOW THAT LOOKS ON THE GROUND.

THE ACADEMIC MASTER-PLANNED AND FISCAL MASTER PLAN NEED TO BE IN ALIGNMENT AND THOSE THINGS HAPPEN THROUGH THIS ENORMOUSLY LONG PROCESS.

IT NEEDS TO BE DONE SOON I VERY MUCH AGREE WITH THAT AND WHAT WE DO WITH THAT PLAN IS VERY CRITICAL.

I ALSO THINK WE HAVE TO FUND IT IN ORDER FOR IT TO MAKE A DIFFERENT AND THAT IS WHERE I COME AROUND ON THIS.

HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE THIS POLL?

>> TRUSTEE: IT LOOKS LIKE THREE YESES.

TRUSTEE AVALOS DID NOT GET HERS AND.

WE HAVE THREE YESES, A NO AND A MAYBE AND TRUSTEE AVALOS IS A QUESTION MARK.

>> PRESIDENT: I THINK WE ARE AT A SPOT THAT MAKES SENSE TO COME BACK TO THIS TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT.

>> TRUSTEE: IS TRUSTEE AVALOS STILL ON THE LINE? I THINK SHE IS MUTED.

>> TRUSTEE: I AM HERE.

>> PRESIDENT: TRUSTEE DR. SALAZAR IS WONDERING IF WE WERE TO HAVE THE RIGHT LANGUAGE WOULD YOU APPROVE THIS?

>> TRUSTEE: I'M OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD THAT I THINK THE VOTERS NEED TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.

THE BOARD DOES NEED TO BE PREPARED THAT IF IT DOESN'T PASS YOU HAVE A PLAN B IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE ACCOMPLISHED.

>> SPEAKER: IF YOU DON'T MIND I'D LIKE TO SEE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO KEEP THIS IN MIND WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS, IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS SOME STRUGGLE ON THE BALLOT LANGUAGE IT HAS TO DO WITH THE LIMITATION OF THE 75 WORD COUNT AND THE REASON WHY THESE BALLOTS ARE WRITTEN THE WAY THEY ARE IS THAT THERE IS NO WAY FOR US TO PUT EVERY SINGLE PROJECT WE HAVE IN THE MASTER PLAN ON THERE BECAUSE OF THE LIMITATION ON THAT AND IF I BROUGHT YOU BACK THE TWO BALLOT MEASURES THAT THE BOARD APPROVED THEY WOULD BE NEARLY IDENTICAL.

MAY BE GIVEN A COUPLE WORDS HERE OR THERE BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE DRIVEN, THEY DID TELL IS DRIVEN OFF OF THE MASTER PLAN.

AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE EACH OF THOSE BALLOTS WITH YOU BECAUSE I DO HAVE THEM BUT I WOULD ALSO ADD ONE THING THERE IS ALSO SOME REQUIREMENT BY LAW THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE IN THE 75 WORD TO THE LAST FORCE AND TO DOES OF THE BALLOT ARE REQUIRED WHERE IT SAYS SHALL, THOSE ARE REQUIREMENTS AND WE CANNOT CHANGE THAT AT ALL.

THAT WAS A REVISION THAT WAS DONE THAT WE WERE REQUIRED NOW TO PUT ON THE BALLOT, THE COST FACTOR ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND ISSUING THAT.

NOW IT TAKES AWAY THE 75 WORDS, WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF LOOKING AT BETWEEN 45 AND 50 WORDS THAT WE COULD INTENTIONALLY CHANGE AND WE HAVE TO BE WE WANT TO

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PROVIDE THE LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWS US TO DO THE MOST THAT WE CAN BUT OUR ROADMAP IS THE MASTER PLAN.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH THREE MASTER PLANS.

2019 WAS THE THIRD MASTER PLAN THAT WE HAD CREATED.

EACH TIME WE UPDATED THE MASTER PLAN WE HAD ALREADY HAD A BOND.

AGAIN, THE MASTER PLAN TO EXACTLY WHAT BOARD PRESIDENT BIRKEY TALKED ABOUT IT REEVALUATES THE PROJECTS THAT COULD NOT BE DONE BASED ON ESCALATION, BASED ON WHATEVER FACTORS THERE ARE AND IT GOES THROUGH THIS WHOLE ANALYSIS ON THE GROWTH OF THE COLLEGE AND WHERE IT'S GOING SO IT CAN PROJECT THE NEXT 10 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE.

WE HAVE DONE THAT AND HAD ENOUGH DATED MASTER PLAN WE ARE ALREADY MIDWAY THROUGH THE BOND.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING UNIQUE THAT HAS HAPPENED WHERE YOU START WITH A MASTER PLAN AND THEN AS YOU ARE GOING THROUGH YOU HAVE TO WAIT IT BECAUSE THERE IS A TIME WE NEED TO BE CONSTANTLY UPDATING THE MASTER PLAN BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE.

>> PRESIDENT: ALL COMMUNITY COLLEGES.

>> TRUSTEE: ALL COMMUNITY COLLEGES GO THROUGH THIS.

>> SPEAKER: THEY HAVE MULTIPLE REVISIONS ON THE MASTER PLAN.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NEW YOU ALWAYS WANT TO UP DATED.

YOU UP DATE THE EDUCATIONAL MASTER PLAN IN ONE OF THE TRICKS IS UP DATE THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN IS A CONSTANT CYCLE THEY ARE ALWAYS DOING.

>> PRESIDENT: THAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING.

>> SPEAKER: RIGHT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO STAY CURRENT.

BECAUSE OF WHAT TRUSTEE LEWIS AND VP DR. SHIN LIU MENTIONED THINGS ARE CHANGING AND YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO ADAPT TO THE NEXT NEW THING, WE DON'T KNOW THE NEXT NEW THING.

THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON SO THAT WE WOULD'VE DATED THE MASTER PLAN A YEAR AGO WE COULD HAVE BEEN WAY OFF BECAUSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY BETWEEN LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR.

SO, I WOULD BE MORE FOCUSED ON PLANNING FOR THE NEXT DATE ON THE MASTER PLAN IN THE NEAR FUTURE YOU KNOW? I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

COULD BE STARTING THIS FALL THAT WE ARE UP DATING IT.

IT COULD BE IN THE SPRING THAT WE HAVE A THE MASTER PLAN BUT THE AMOUNT THAT IS SPECIFIED IS DRIVEN OFF OF OUR WORK ON COSTING OUT ESTIMATE ON ALL OF THESE PROJECTS CURRENTLY LISTED IN OUR MASTER PLAN THAT WAS BOARD APPROVED IN 2019.

WE DID REEVALUATE IT EARLIER THIS YEAR TO SEE THE COST AND BASED ON WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE 425 WAS STILL IN THE RANGE THAT DID IT BUT WHEN WE DID THAT IN APRIL THINGS HAVE REALLY GOTTEN OUT OF HAND SO AGAIN THE ESCALATION COST IS ALWAYS A DRIVING FACTOR FOR THAT KEEPS ESCALATING THE COST YEAR AFTER YEAR.

I WANTED TO MENTION THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE IS A FULL 75 WORDS THAT WE CAN PLAY AROUND WITH ACTUALLY LESS THAN THAT THERE ARE SOME REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY LAW AND THAT'S WHY THESE BALLOT LANGUAGES ARE CRAFTED THE WAY THAT THEY ARE BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING WITH THE 75 RULE COUNT AND TRYING TO ALLOW DISTRICTS AND INSTITUTIONS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE MASTER PLAN AS THEY GROWTH THROUGH.

WE ISSUE BONDS TODAY AND THESE ARE LIKE 10 TO 15 YEAR PROGRAMS. THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD POSSIBLY THINK THAT TODAY WE ARE GOING TO KNOW EVERYTHING WE'RE GOING TO BE NEEDING FOR 15 YEARS BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE AS WE GO ACROSS.

NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE LINE WE KNOW RENOVATION PROJECTS WE KNOW STUDENT ADMIN AND PROBABLY A COUPLE MORE RIGHT AFTER THAT THAT AFTER THAT THINGS COULD CHANGE AND MOVE.

WE DO KNOW THAT THERE'S A NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

WE KNOW THAT FOR A FACT IN THOSE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE ADDRESSED ON THAT BECAUSE THERE IS A NEED TO MAKE SOME REVISIONS TO GET THEM UP TO A CURRENT STANDARD OF CODE.

THERE'S ALSO A NUMBER OF NEW BUILDINGS ON THERE AND SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE NOT WORTH RENOVATING.

THEY ARE FULL DEMO AND REBUILD.

ALL OF THOSE ARE SPELLED OUT IN THE MASTER PLAN AND EACH OF THEM WILL SAY WHETHER OR NOT IT IS NEW CONSTRUCTION OR RENOVATION.

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>> PRESIDENT: TRUSTEE LEWIS?

>> TRUSTEE: THE BALLOT MEASURE LANGUAGE IS SOMETHING THAT IS PULL TESTED AND SOMETHING THAT WILL HAVE PARTICULAR LANGUAGE AND PROJECTS THAT HOW COULD ANYONE VOTE AGAINST? WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO REPAIR LEAKY ROOFS AND ASBESTOS? THE BALLOT LANGUAGE IS NOT THE REAL ISSUE AS TRUSTEE DR. SALAZAR POINTED OUT.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT WERE DOING AND WHAT HAS BEEN RESENTED TO US HERE HAS NOT BEEN PRESENTED IN AN EASY WAY FOR US TO UNDERSTAND AND FOR US TO RELAY TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.

THE BALLOT LANGUAGE WAS NOT AN ISSUE AND CAN CHANGE BUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BE EDUCATING OUR VOTERS ON AS FAR AS OR GOING TO BE DOING WITH THOSE DOLLARS.

I KNOW WE HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ON BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM AND WE CAN HAVE WHEREVER THE OTHER BOARD DECIDES IS A FUTURE TIME BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER ITEMS IN CLOSED SESSION FOR US TO GET ON SO I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM.

>> PRESIDENT: TO TABLE IT AND THEN - >> TRUSTEE: TABLE MEANS INDEFINITELY BUT A BOARD SPECIAL MEETING COULD BE CALLED TO AN TABLE.

>> PRESIDENT: DO WE HAVE TO DECIDE ON A SPECIAL MEETING TONIGHT IN OPEN FORUM? WHAT IS THE BEST PROCEDURE?

>> TRUSTEE: WE HAVE MULTIPLE OPTIONS SO, TRUSTEE LEWIS HAS A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ON THE TABLE WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND YET SO WE SHOULD

OBVIOUSLY - >> PRESIDENT: BEFORE A SECOND OR NOT SECOND I'M TRYING TO DEPEND.

>> TRUSTEE: THE SECOND WE COULD DO IS MAKE A SECOND MOTION OF MODIFIED OR APPROVED AND THE THIRD ONE WHICH WOULD NOT REQUIRE A MOTION TO SIMPLY SAID, WE WILL ASK TO SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING ON EXIT DAY AND BRING THIS THING FOR CONSIDERATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CORRECTIONS.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST WE COULD SIMPLY DO NOTHING AND WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM.

>> PRESIDENT: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> TRUSTEE: SECOND.

>> PRESIDENT: CAN WE HAVE A -BEFORE WE GET TO THAT DISCUSSION IF WE APPROVED TO TABLE THIS ITEM DOES THAT PRECLUDE US FROM DISCUSSING IT AT A NEAR-TERM DATE?

>> TRUSTEE: NOT NECESSARILY BUT HOWEVER WHAT WE ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW WITH TABLING OR MOVING IT FROM THE PLATE AND YOU WILL HAVE TO REQUEST TO PUT IT BACK IN AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS STILL REQUIRES A PERSON TO TABLE THE ITEM TO RECONSIDER IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

>> TRUSTEE: DOCTOR FIERRO WE SHOULD JUST MAKE A MOTION AND MAYBE WE CAN MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO BRING THIS BACK AT A LATER DATE SO WE ARE NOT GOING BACK AND FORTH.

>> TRUSTEE: THE CURRENT MOTION IS TO TABLE IN THE SECOND WE CAN EITHER CALL ROLL CALL OR SINCE THERE WAS NO FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WE WILL HAVE TO RUN THE MOTION.

>> PRESIDENT: OUT OF DISCUSSION BEFORE WE DO THE ROLL CALL VOTE I WILL VOTE NO SIMPLY BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE THIS COLD TO AN INTERIM MEETING.

IS THAT FAIR TO SAY IN DISCUSSION? DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE WE MOVED TO THE ROLL CALL VOTE?

>> TRUSTEE: I'M SORRY CAN YOU REPEAT THE MOTION? I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.

>> PRESIDENT: I MAKING A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM.

LET'S ROLL CALL VOTE.

ABSTAIN.

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TRUSTEE AVALOS? ABSTAIN.

BOARD PRESIDENT BIRKEY? NO.

TRUSTEE LEWIS? YES.

VP DR. SHIN LIU? YES.

TRUSTEE PACHECO? NO.

TRUSTEE PEREZ IS ABSENT TRUSTEE DR. SALAZAR? NUMBER.

>> PRESIDENT: THE MOTION FAILS.

WHEN YOU PUT IT LIKE THAT.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO DISCUSS THIS?

>> TRUSTEE: I PUT THAT WE DISCUSSED THIS, TO BRING IT BACK AT A SPECIAL BOARD MEETING PRIOR TO THE DATE THAT IT HAS TO BE FINAL SO WE CAN DECIDE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

>> TRUSTEE: A SECOND.

>> PRESIDENT: TRUSTEE AVALOS? BOARD PRESIDENT BIRKEY? TRUSTEE LEWIS? VP DR. SHIN LIU? TRUSTEE PACHECO? TRUSTEE PEREZ IS ABSENT, TRUSTEE DR. SALAZAR? THE MOTION PASSES.

>> TRUSTEE: FOR BOATS?

>> PRESIDENT: YES.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

>> TRUSTEE: NOT TO GIVE YOU MORE TO DISCUSS BUT SINCE IT'S AT A LATER MEETING, WE COULD MAKE THE LANGUAGE MODIFICATIONS AS QUICK AS TOMORROW NIGHT AND WE CAN POTENTIALLY DO FRIDAY.

I GUESS WE CAN -*SPEAKER1* WE CAN GIVE IT A WEEK I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GIVE YOU GUYS A FULL WEEK TO LOOK AT IT.

>> TRUSTEE: WE CAN SEND SOME DATE IN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO.

>> PRESIDENT: WE CAN DO THAT IN WHATEVER FORMAT BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE IT'S A SPECIAL MEETING THERE'S AN ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO ATTEND.

>>.CAN WE ADD IT TO THE AGENDA OR IS IT TOO LATE? DO WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING TO ADD THAT?

[LAUGHTER] >> TRUSTEE: WE WOULDN'T NEED TO DO THAT IF WE MADE IT TO TOMORROW NIGHT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CONTINUATION OF TODAY'S MEETING.

WHAT DOES IT EXTEND INTO? FRIDAY? 24 HOURS? YES.

>> TRUSTEE: YOU CAN TURN THE MEETING ANYTIME BUT AS LONG AS YOU ADJOURN THAT TO A FOLLOWING MEETING.

>> TRUSTEE: AT LEAST FOUR MEMBERS WILL NEED TO BE IN PERSON.

>> TRUSTEE: I RECOMMEND THAT WE DO IT NEXT WEEK SO GIVES YOU TIME TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO LOOK AT IT.

THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE SO TAKE A POLL ON THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE EVEN MORE IMPORTANT.

>> PRESIDENT: ARE WE ALLOWED TO APPROVE AB 105? 365? THAT IS A FUN ONE AS A COMPONENT ON ITEM 5.02? GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE ARE SPECIFICALLY, THE MOTION IS SPECIFICALLY REGARDING A LATER MEETING?

>>.THE.

>> TRUSTEE: WE WILL SEND SOME DATE.

>> PRESIDENT: ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

>> PRESIDENT: WE WILL SEND SOME DATES WITH IMPROVE LANGUAGE AND THAT WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT.

I THINK THEY MADE THEMSELVES CLEAR CURED WE WILL MAKE SOME MORE TIME FOR THAT ON THAT SPECIAL MEETING.

WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO STEP OUT FOR A MOMENT AND HAND THE FOLLOWING ITEM 5.03 OVER TWO VP DR. SHIN LIU.

>> TRUSTEE: ALL RIGHT, 5.03 IS THE CONTRACT FOR STUDENT HOUSING VISIBILITY IN PLANNING STUDY.

CERRITOS COLLEGE WISHES TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH SABATO'S LLC TO PROVIDE A STUDENT HOUSING STUDY.

THE SERVICES INCLUDE BUT NOT LIMITED TO PROJECT PLANNING, DUE DILIGENCE AND THE RESEARCH FOR STUDENT HOUSING FACILITY CARRY OUT AND PREPARE A STUDY ASSIST CONDUCTING STUDIES, CONCEPTUAL DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AND BUDGETING SURFACE.

IT ALSO INCLUDES A COMPREHENSIVE LEGAL AND ENTITLEMENT DUE DILIGENCE IN UNION PLANS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEEDS AND ENVIRONMENT OF SB 169.

SO, THE TOTAL AGREEMENT SHALL BE FOR AND NOT TO EXCEED THE AMOUNT OF $210,000.

FUNDING FOR THE SERVICES WILL BE ALLOCATED FROM THE BUSINESS SERVICES BUDGET VIA GRANT FUNDING THAT WAS RECEIVED.

SO, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE BOARD APPROVE THE AGREEMENT WITH SERVITAS, LLC AND TO PROVIDE STUDENT HOUSING FEASIBILITY STUDY.

SO WE NEED TO HAVE A BOAT, RIGHT?

>> TRUSTEE: TO PROVIDE YOU SOME CONTEXT, WE SECURED $250,000 THROUGH THE STATE $210,000 FROM THE STATE.

$225,000 FROM THE STATE TO BE ABLE TO DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY SO THEY DO NOT IMPACT THE GENERAL FUND.

THIS IS A WAY FOR US TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A NEED FOR US TO ENGAGE IN ADDITIONAL HOUSING CONSTRUCTION WITH THE COLLEGE AND ENTER INTO A SMALLER SERVICE STUDY WITH THE SAME GROUP WHICH WE ALSO COVERED OUT OF THE SAME GRANT IT'S ABOUT $6500 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

HE GAVE US AN IDEA OF THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT THE STUDENTS WOULD CONSIDER DRAWING ESTIMATION OF COST AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

BASED ON THE PRICES WE RECEIVE WE FEEL THAT IT IS PERHAPS A BETTER SOLUTION FOR US TO CONDUCT THE STUDY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A REASONABLE WAY TO

[5.03 Contract with Servitas, LLC for Student Housing Feasibility and Planning Study]

BUILD HOUSING FOR STUDENTS TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE COST OF HOUSING BEFORE WE EMBARK IN A LARGER PROJECT.

THERE ARE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AVAILABLE AND OBVIOUSLY WE PLAN TO APPLY AND COMPETE FOR BUT WE DON'T WANT TO GET TO THAT STEP IF THERE IS NOT NECESSARILY SUPPORT AND NEED TO BUILD THE HOUSING PROJECT THIS LARGE.

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IT COULD BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 300 TO 500 BEDS AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE DOCK IS ACTUALLY UTILIZED.

WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING, HAVING WORKED IN A RESIDENTIAL CAMPUS FOR THERE ARE MULTIPLE FACTORS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING WE DO NOT CONSIDER BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO MEET THE NEED WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY BUILD A PLACE FOR STUDENTS TO BE ABLE TO LEAD.

HAVING THESE COLLEGE HOUSING ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT UNVEILS.

HAVING HOUSING WOULD BE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE AND WE WOULD NEED TO RUN THE HOUSING PROJECT.

THERE ARE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT NEED TO TAKE PLACE IN THAT THE ONGOING COSTS NOT JUST SIMPLY THE COST OF HOUSING WHICH IS A HOUSING FACILITY ON EACH ONE OF THE BUILDINGS.

THESE ARE THE WARM MANAGERS, THE INDIVIDUAL FLOORS, SPECIFIC CLEANING REQUIREMENT SPEAKING OF VACCINATIONS SOME OF THEM REQUIRE SPECIFIC VACCINATIONS TO LIVE IN COMMUNITIES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

ALL OF THOSE ARE ONGOING AFTER THE FACILITIES HAS BEEN BUILT.

WE WANT TO BE AS CAREFUL AS POSSIBLE TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN MAKE THOSE NEEDS BEFORE EMBARKING IN THE LARGER PROJECT THEREFORE WE APPLY FOR THESE DOLLARS IN ORDER TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE STUDY.

>> TRUSTEE: DO WE NEED A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE.

STUDENT TRUSTEE LEDESMA? TRUSTEE AVALOS? BOARD PRESIDENT BIRKEY IS ABSENT, TRUSTEE LEWIS? VP DR. SHIN LIU? TRUSTEE PACHECO? TRUSTEE PEREZ IS ABSENT, TRUSTEE DR. SALAZAR? AND I WILL CIRCLE BACK TO TRUSTEE AVALOS.

THE MOTION PASSES.

>> TRUSTEE: THAT WAS AYE I COULD NOT UNMUTE MYSELF.

>> TRUSTEE: THANK YOU.

>> PRESIDENT: ALL RIGHT WHAT DID I MISS? NOW ITEM 5.04 REQUESTED BY TRUSTEE LEWIS A DISCUSSION OF BOARD POLICY FEBRUARY 9, 2005 SARS COVID TO VACCINE AND TESTING REQUIREMENT.

TRUSTEE LEWIS ESQUIRE?

>> TRUSTEE: THAT IS CORRECT, YES AND DOCTOR.

ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF COMMENT FROM FACULTY MEMBERS AND STUDENTS WHO HAVE NOTED THAT THE DIFFERENCES AND CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN COMING SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR.

WE KNOW THAT THE VACCINE HAS NOT CREATED AN ENVIRONMENT TO PREVENT THE TRANSMISSION OF IT SO WE NEED TO REFLECT OUR POLICY CHANGES TO REFLECT THE REALITY OF HOW VACCINES HAVE ACTUALLY PLAYED OUT.

IF THERE'S ANY APPETITE FROM OTHER BOARD MEMBERS TO REVISIT THE CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT FOR MANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND EVEN IN SOME CASES STUDENTS, WE SHOULD CONSIDER IF NOT COMPLETELY ERADICATING THE BP 2905 TO CREATE MORE LENIENCY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO SPECIFICALLY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW ANYTHING MORE THAT IS MANDATED.

>> PRESIDENT: DR. FIERRO?

>> TRUSTEE: I THINK THERE WAS A PRESENTATION.

I THINK I CLOSED IT ACCIDENTALLY.

OH, OKAY.

>> TRUSTEE: ARE YOU READY?

>> TRUSTEE: DR. FIERRO CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT THERE WAS PUBLIC COMMENT, WE FOLLOW LA COUNTY MANDATE CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT?

>> TRUSTEE: LA COUNTY MANDATES FOR HIGHER EDUCATION HAVE BEEN THE SAME SINCE MAY.

SOME ARE CHOOSING TO FOLLOW THEM CLOSE TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW.

SOME HAVE NOT.

THERE IS ALSO A DIFFERENCE THAT SOME PLACES ARE MAKING IN ORDER TO MAKE THESE

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DECISIONS IF IT WASN'T A PUBLIC HEALTH ORDER THEY ARE USING THAT AS A WAY TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE.

FOR INSTANCE THEY CONTINUE TESTING IN A COUPLE MONTHS I SUGGESTED A SPECIFIC DATE AND ALTHOUGH IT WASN'T A PUBLIC HEALTH ORDER, THE TESTING WAS STILL TOO HIGH OR THE INSTITUTION GUIDELINES BUT AGAIN IT HAS NOT BEEN REVIEWED SINCE MAY.

SO, YES, THAT'S CORRECT MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD COLLEGES ARE MOVING AWAY FROM TESTING AND VACCINATIONS AND IT IS ALSO TRUE THAT SOME OF THOSE CASES ARE STILL IN THE OLD GUIDELINES AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BUT NOT IN THE PUBLIC HAROLD ORDER AND SOME HAVE TAKEN A LITTLE BIT MORE LIBERTIES ON THAT OR RATHER THAN USING THOSE HIRING GUIDELINES THEY HAVE USED THE PUBLIC HEALTH AT LARGE ORDERS AS A WAY TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.

SO ON, JUST TO GIVE YOU A RECAP WITHOUT MAKING FUN OF ME, CAN YOU MAKE THAT BIGGER? THANK YOU.

>> PRESIDENT: THAT IS A TALL ORDER.

OKAY.

I KNEW WHAT SHE WAS GOING TO DO.

THANK YOU.

>> TRUSTEE: THERE ARE A NUMBER OF INSTITUTIONS THAT WE MENTIONED EARLIER THAT ARE EITHER LIFTING THE MANDATE BUT MOST OF THESE AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN ARE ACTUALLY RELATED TO THE STUDENT MANDATES AND SOME ARE MAINTAINING THE MANDATE

[5.04 Requested by Trustee Lewis: Discussion of Board Policy 2905 - SARS CoV-2 (COVID-19) Vaccination and Testing Requirement]

FOR EMPLOYEES.

AS YOU CAN SEE HERE MOUNT SAN ANTONIO THEY ARE LETTING THE MANDATE OF VACCINATION EXPIRE AT THE END OF THE SPRING SEMESTER AND THEY DID NOT CONTINUE TO DO THE VACCINATION.

HOWEVER THEY ALLOWED PLOYS TO BE TESTING TO BE ASKED WIRED.

NORTH ORANGE COUNTY HAS NOT LIFTED THE VACCINATION MANDATE AND REQUIREMENTS AND THEY LIFTED THE VACCINATION MANDATES.

THIS WAS FOR THE STUDENTS AND THIS WAS IN THE GENERAL VICINITY BUT THEY ARE LIFTING THE VACCINATION MANDATE.

THEY DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE ONE.

THEY HAVE A SPLIT MODEL OF STUDENTS AND THEY ARE BEING REMOVED THE VACCINATION REQUIREMENT FOR THIS CONTINUES.

THE GENERAL CONTEXT THE STUDENTS LIFTING THAT.

MIRA COSTA CLOSER TO US THE EMPLOYEES ONLY.

MEANING THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR STUDENTS.

AND.[INDISCERNABLE] LIFTED THE VACCINATION MANDATE FOR THE STUDENTS AND IT STILL REQUIRES FOR EMPLOYEES AND THEY NEVER LIFTED THE MASK MANDATE AND THEY CONTINUE TO USE MASKS INDOORS WITH SOME CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED.

ONE OF OUR COLLEGES WENT IN THE GENERAL VICINITY VACCINATION MANDATE FOR BOTH STUDENTS AND EMPLOYEES.

COMPTON JUST DOWN THE ROAD CONTRA COSTA STUDENT EMPLOYEES AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS SPACE ALL OF THESE PARTICULAR COLLEGES HAVE ACTUALLY CONTINUED FOR BOTH.

LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE AS YOU CAN SEE HERE CURRENTLY PASSES BUT THEY ARE ACTIVELY AT THIS POINT CONSIDERING LIFTING IT FOR THE STUDENTS.

LOS ANGELES COMMUNITY COLLEGE LIFTED FOR THE STUDENTS AND EMPLOYEES AS WELL.

SO, STUDENTS YES.

EMPLOYEES, NO.

LOS RIOS STUDENTS AND EMPLOYEES, LET'S SEE WHO ELSE.

SOUTH ORANGE HAS NOT LIFTED OR MODIFIED THE GENERAL VICINITY.

OTHER COLLEGES THAT ARE FARTHER AWAY TO THE OFFICIAL ACTION YOU CAN SEE IT WAS.[INDISCERNABLE] AND SHASTA AND AT THIS POINT THEY DO NOT HAVE THEM BECAUSE THEY DID NOT TAKE ACTION IN THIS PARTICULAR REGARD.

SO, THE BASIC ARGUMENT AS WE HEAR FROM SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING INSTITUTIONS ARE INDEED MOVING AWAY FROM THOSE MANDATE BUT IF THERE'S ONE ARGUMENT TO BE MADE IT SEEMS TO BE LEANING IN FIRST CONSIDERING IT'S FOR THE STUDENTS AND MAINTAINING IT FOR THE EMPLOYEES THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE IS AT LEAST ONE THAT WE MENTIONED BEFORE WE LET IT EXPIRE FOR BOTH OF THEM.

ON JULY 29 THERE IS A CERTAINTY AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME BASED ON THE NUMBERS GOING AND WHAT CAME OUT OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT WE ARE GOING BACK TO INDOORS MASK MANDATE AS A PUBLIC HEALTH ORDER NOT AS A CERRITOS COLLEGE MANDATE WHICH MEANS THAT EVEN THOUGH AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT WE DO NOT HAVE A MASK MANDATE WE ARE GOING TO BE ONCE AGAIN REQUIRED TO DO A MASK FOR AT LEAST TWO WEEKS AFTER

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THE 20 NIGHT.

YOU KNOW, THAT COULD STAY LONGER THAN TWO WEEKS OR IT COULD BE LIFTED AFTER TWO WEEKS BUT ESSENTIALLY THEY ARE GOING BY THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF RISK AND AT THIS POINT BASED ON THE POSITIVITY RATE WE ARE A HIGH LEVEL AND AS LONG AS IT STAYS THAT WAY THE MASK REQUIREMENT WILL BE LIFTED.

ANOTHER POINT THAT WAS MADE DURING THE COMMENT IN AN EMAIL THAT CIRCULATED LATE LAST WEEK WAS RELATED UP TO HQ WHICH WAS THE CHECK IN SYSTEM THAT WE USED.

IT IS A GROUP OF EMPLOYEES THAT WOULD LIKE TO LIFT THE USE OF OPTIMUM HQ.

WE OBVIOUSLY COULD DO THAT AND THERE ARE A FEW THINGS TO CONSIDER BEFORE THAT HAPPENS.

THE FIRST ONE IS THAT THE OPTIMUM HQ IS NOT A TOOL THAT WE USE TO TRACK WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE CAME TO CAMPUS FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE DOING THE WORK.

IT IS A TOOL THAT WE USE TO HELP US WITH WORDING OF 368 IS IT WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A BILL THAT REPORTS COVER CASES TO THE STATE AND NOTIFY EMPLOYEES WE HAVE COVID POSITIVE.

SO WE USE IT FOR THAT.

THE NEXT STEP WITH THAT WE KNOW WHO'S BEEN IN THE BUILDING WE CAN ALSO MAKE THE NEXT PART OF THIS BECAUSE WE CAN SIMPLY PULL THE LIST OF WHERE THE PERSON WAS LOOK AT THE BUILDING AND SAY OKAY THIS PERSON WAS IN THE STUDENT SERVICES BUILDING AND THE SAME DAY AROUND THE SAME TIME WE HAVE 10 OTHER PEOPLE SO WE WILL NOTIFY THOSE 10 PEOPLE AS REQUIRED BY LAW WITHOUT HAVING TO ALARM EVERYWHERE IN ELSE THAT MAY HAVE BEEN IN THAT BUILDING WHICH MAKES THE CONTACT TRACING HAPPEN MUCH FASTER YES THERE IS ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT SELF REPORTING AND THAT WILL SLOW DOWN ANY CONTACT TRACING AND EFFICIENCY OF CONTACT TRACING HOWEVER THAT PROCESS CAN BE REMOVED.

WE CAN MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF AB 368 BUT THERE ARE SOME CHANGES IN THE BACKEND WHICH ESSENTIALLY MEANS THAT WILL TO DO CONTACT TRACING AND IT IS EFFECTIVELY AS IT IS TODAY THE CHECK-IN IS NOT NECESSARILY TO CHECK WHO CAME TO WORK AND WHO DIDN'T WE JUST REVIEW THE DATA WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO THE CONTACT TRACING IF WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO THAT.

ON THE VACCINATIONS, OBVIOUSLY THE BOARD SINCE THIS IS A BOARD POLICY THE BOARD CAN CONSIDER REMOVING THE VACCINATION MANDATE FOR THE STUDENTS OR FOR FACULTY AND STAFF OR BOTH AT ANY GIVEN TIME BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT IS A BOARD POLICY.

THERE IS AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE ON HOW WE ADDRESS THIS WITH THE STUDENTS BECAUSE AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT THE INDIVIDUAL HEADCOUNTS MEANING THE NUMBER OF THE STUDENTS THAT REGISTER IN CLASSES WE HAVE ROUGHLY 53,000 STUDENTS THAT ARE REGISTERED AND ROUGHLY 21,000 THAT HAVE NOT SUBMITTED THE VACCINATION STATUS AND WHEN YOU MOVE THAT TO INDIVIDUAL HEADCOUNTS THERE ARE STUDENTS WHO ARE REGISTERED FOR THE NEXT SEMESTER AND ABOUT 28, 2900 I BELIEVE OF THEM HAVE NOT SUBMITTED PROOF OF VACCINATION WHICH MEANS THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CLEAR THE SYSTEM.

NOW, IF PAST HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF WE WILL GET AN OVERFLOW OF VACCINES AND REQUESTS A DAY BEFORE CLASS WHICH THE STUDENT SERVICES TEAM WILL HAVE TO PROCESS AND A NUMBER OF EXTENSIONS WILL BE MADE FOR THE STUDENTS TO STAY IN THEIR CLASSES AND THAT WOULD BE THE BEST CASE SCENARIO.

IF NOT THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE STUDENTS WILL BE LIMITED TO TAKE CLASSES ONLINE.

WHEN SPEAKING WITH SOME OF OUR COACHES THERE ARE CONCERNS AS WELL REGARDING VACCINATION.

IS WE HAVE COMPETITIVE ATHLETIC PROGRAMS WHICH IS GREAT AND THEY RECRUIT A LOT BECAUSE WE WANT THE BEST ATHLETES TO MAINTAIN OUR MOST COMPETITIVE PROGRAMS. SO, WE HAVE TRADITIONALLY BEEN VERY FORTUNATE TO INCLUDE TOP ATHLETES INTO THE PROGRAMS BUT NOW BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING COLLEGES, ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT IS A RIVAL, THEY REMOVED THE VACCINE MANDATE AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY USING THE AS A RECRUITMENT TOOL.

THE REASON THEY ARE USING IT AS A RECRUITMENT TOOL IS BECAUSE THE MANDATE OF THE VACCINATIONS HAS NOT BEEN IN PLACE FOR STUDENTS IN HIGH SCHOOLS SO MANY OF THESE STUDENTS ARE NOT ENTERING THE CAMPUS VACCINATED.

SO THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT AND THEY ARE BEING RECRUITED BY ONE OF THE COMPETITORS

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PARTICULARLY IN ATHLETICS BECAUSE THE TOP ATHLETES WANT TO BE EITHER HERE OR IN THIS OTHER PLACE AND IF THEY ARE NOT VACCINATED THEY ARE MAKING THAT DECISION ACCORDING TO WHAT I HAVE HERE FROM THE COACH.

THERE ARE A FEW CHANGES THAT YOU CAN MAKE AND AS YOU CAN SEE THAT'S THE PRESIDENT THERE.

THERE ARE A FEW CHANGES AND THERE'S MOBILE FACULTY AND STAFF THAT ARE REQUESTING THIS AS THE OPTIMUM HQ EMAIL WENT OUT THERE WAS A GROUP THAT WANTED TO GET IT OUT AND THERE WERE OTHERS THAT SAID NO, I WANT TO KEEP IT SO WERE GOING TO SEND OUT A SURVEY TO THE CAMPUS ON SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT CANNOT GO OUT VIA EMAIL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE POSITION OF THE CAMPUS AND TO INCLUDE THE STUDENTS THAT WENT INTO THAT SURVEY.

I BELIEVE THAT THE STUDENT VOICE IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT EVERY TIME BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE IT WILL AFFECT ALL OF US AND IN THIS WAY REGARDLESS OF WHAT ROLE WE PLAY ON CAMPUS.

SO, THERE WILL BE TO MY KNOWLEDGE A NEW GUIDELINE THAT WILL BE COMING OUT OF LA COUNTY WHICH I DON'T THINK WILL COME BEFORE THEY DO THE CHANGES ON THE MASKING.

I REALLY DOUBT THE MASKING WILL ONLY LAST TWO WEEKS.

THERE ARE SOME ARGUMENTS FOR OBVIOUSLY REMOVING THE VACCINE MANDATE AND THERE ARE SOME ARGUMENTS ON REMOVING TESTING.

WE CANNOT STOP TESTING THAT WILL REQUIRE ALL OF US TO BE MORE PROACTIVE WHEN THEY ARE SELF REPORTING RATHER THAN THIS SPORADIC TESTING THAT WE WILL DO WITH THE UNVACCINATED.

I STILL TEST EVERY SO FREQUENTLY BECAUSE MANY OF US COULD BE SYMPTOMATIC OR HAVE MILD SYMPTOMS AND IT WOULD NOT BE IDENTIFIED AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY DOING IT TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT I AM SICK, AND DOING IT TO MAKE SURE I AM NOT INADVERTENTLY CREATING A LARGER SITUATION.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE VERSIONS YOU CAN CONSIDER VACCINATIONS AND TESTING FULLY UNDER A PURVIEW BASE AND THE POLICY YOU CAN ACT ON THOSE AT ANY TIME OR THE DIRECTORS TO MAKE ANY OTHER MOVES.

>> PRESIDENT: DR. FIERRO ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION A STUDENT SURVEY SEEMS THAT IT WOULD HAVE HELPFUL INFORMATION WHEN IS THAT, WHEN IS THAT ANALYSIS GOING TO BE BACK?

>> TRUSTEE: WE WILL PROBABLY DEPLOY IT EARLY NEXT WEEK USUALLY WE OPEN IT UP FOR ABOUT A WEEK.

>> PRESIDENT: I ASSUME THAT WE HAVE TO COLLECT THE DATA?

>> TRUSTEE: THAT WILL BE WITH INSTITUTIONAL RESEARCH WE PLANET TO DO IT OUT OF THERE AND IT DOESN'T TAKE THAT LONG.

THEY USUALLY BEGIN COLLECTING THE DATA AND IT SHOULDN'T TAKE TOO LONG.

>> PRESIDENT: BY THE NEXT MEETING WILL HAVE THE INFORMATION?

>> TRUSTEE: OH YES PROBABLY SOONER THAN THAT.

>> TRUSTEE: WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING TO DISCUSS AT THE SPECIAL MEETING?

>> TRUSTEE: THE SOONER WE ACT ON IT THE BETTER SO WE DON'T HAVE THOSE STUDENTS SUBMITTING THE VACCINATIONS TO HR AT ONE TIME TO DEAL WITH THAT ON OUR END.

I AM READY TO ABOLISH IT ENTIRELY BUT I DON'T THINK THAT FOR VOTES ON THAT NECESSARILY BUT MAYBE TO SOME SMALLER EXTENT TO DISCUSS IT WITH MY COLLEAGUES ON WHAT WE CAN DO TO ERODE AWAY AT THAT.

>> PRESIDENT: CONTINUING THAT DISCUSSION I DON'T WANT TO TAKE A LOT OF TIME BECAUSE IT'S GETTING LATE BUT WE HAVE TWO MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ON THE FRONT LINES OF THIS AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

NOT EVERY BOARD GETS TO HAVE THE INPUT ESPECIALLY FROM MULTIPLE PROFESSIONALS.

WOULD YOU GUYS MIND SHARING A FEW FOR MY BENEFIT?

>> TRUSTEE: FOR ME AT THE ADULT SCHOOL IN THE PROGRAM THAT I'M OVER PRETTY MUCH I'M GETTING ONE STUDENT EVERY WEEK THE TEST POSITIVE THAT I HAVE TO PUT OUT ON COVID LEAVE AND THEN HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW I'M GOING TO MAKE UP THOSE HOURS SO THEY CAN STILL COMPLETE THE COURSE.

SO THEY ARE TESTING POSITIVE AND I HAD LAST WEEK WE HAD THREE PEOPLE IN OUR

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ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE WHO TESTED POSITIVE AND THEY GOT SICK.

THEY WERE OUT FOR TWO WEEKS.

SO I TEND TO WEAR MY MASKS WHEN I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN I AM OUT OR I'M IN A CLASSROOM OF STUDENTS I WEAR MY MASK.

ONLY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN.

ALL OF OUR STUDENTS WHO ARE WITHIN IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE IN THE PROGRAM THEY HAVE TO BE FULLY VACCINATED BECAUSE THEY CAN'T STEP FOOT INTO A CLINICAL FACILITY.

THAT IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENT.

EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE FULLY VACCINATED AM STILL SEEING THE SPREAD.

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT I AM SEEING ON A REGULAR BASIS AND THAT'S WHY PUBLIC HEALTH IS NOW SAYING THAT WE WILL GO BACK TO THE MASK MANDATE.

DOCTOR SALAZAR MIGHT HAVE MORE INFORMATION THAN I DO.

>> TRUSTEE: FROM MY EXPERIENCE WORKING IN URGENT CARE THE ONLY MODE OF PROTECTION IS THE VACCINE.

AS STEWARDS OF THE BEST INTEREST OF THE STAFF AND STUDENTS I PERSONALLY WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE TO CONTINUE THE VACCINE MANDATE.

THAT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.

THE CASES ARE REALLY HIGH RIGHT NOW.

EVERY PATIENT I AM SEEING ON THE TELEPHONE EQUIPMENT SIDE THEY ALL HAVE COVID IT DOESN'T MATTER THE AGE THEY ARE ALL VACCINATED.

THE ISSUE IS WE ARE NOT GOING TO DIE FROM COVID BUT WERE STILL GOING TO GET SICK

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FROM COVID AND I AM SEEING JUST YESTERDAY I SAW A PATIENT WHO HAD COVID AND HE DID HAVE DIABETES AND ALCOHOLIC ISSUES BUT HE HAD COVID JANUARY, MARCH AND NOW IN JULY THAT'S THE EXTREME BUT WE ARE SEEING IT.

WE ARE SEEING PATIENTS THAT LITERALLY HAD COVID IN JANUARY HAVE IT NOW AND NOT SERIOUS ILLNESS, THE ALLERGY SYMPTOMS BUT I THINK IT'S LESS DISRUPTIVE TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO TRY TO HELP STOP THE SPREAD OF IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT.

I FEEL THAT IF WE JUST LIFT THE VACCINE MANDATE FOR THE STUDENTS WE ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE THOSE DISRUPTIONS IN CLASS.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE LESS DISRUPTIVE.

GOING TO FIND WAYS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BACK TO THE NEW NORMAL AS POSSIBLE.

I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE TO DO BOTH.

I DID OF THE QUESTION OF WHY SOME COLLEGES ARE DOING OKAY FOR SOME STUDENTS TO NOT GET VACCINATED BUT STAFF HAS TO GET VACCINATED.

TO ME I DON'T KNOW IF THE THEORY IS WERE GOING TO FOR VACCINATION BUT WE HAVE TO PUT OUR FOOT DOWN BECAUSE IF IT'S A CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT FOR ANY HEALTHCARE FACILITY OR TEACHING INSTITUTION THEN WHY ARE WE GIVING A PASS TO THE STUDENT?

>> TRUSTEE: THERE ARE TWO EXPLANATIONS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN OBVIOUSLY IN THE ENROLLMENT AS WE STRUGGLE FOR ENROLLMENT MOST OF US ARE LOOKING AT WHAT CAN I DO TO REMOVE AS MANY BARRIERS AS POSSIBLE TO WHATEVER STUDENT IS.

WE DO EVERYTHING TO ENGAGE STUDENTS AGAIN AND I THINK PART OF THE REASON I CANNOT AGREE EXCLUSIVELY BUT THE REASON THAT WE ARE ACROSS THE STATE IS BECAUSE OF THE VACCINATION MANDATE.

I DO THINK THAT STUDENTS WILL MAKE THIS DECISION BASED ON IF THEY WANT TO GO

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TO COMMUNITY COLLEGE OR I DON'T WANT TO GET VACCINATED OR DO I DRIVE HERE? SOME ARE GOING TO MAKE A DECISION AND THE OTHER PART ON DOING THAT IS IT IS LIKE GOING TO A STORE THE STORES GOING TO REQUIRE THE PEOPLE TO DO THE WORK TO BE VACCINATED IN ORDER TO ENHANCE THE LEVEL OF PROTECTION THEY ARE PROVIDING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES BUT DO NOT GOING TO ASK THE CLIENT TO BE VACCINATED SO I THINK PART OF THE LENS THAT'S BEING USED TO MAKE THAT LEVEL OF VACCINATION AND WE WANT TO PROTECT FRONT-LINE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE GOING TO USE THE MASKS AND SOME COLLEGES THAT HAVE LIFTED THE MASK MANDATE STILL HAVE MASS AND ARE GOING TO TAKE THE PROTOCOLS TO PROTECT EMPLOYEES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND STUDENTS, IT'S YOUR DECISION ON IF YOU WANT TO BE VACCINATED.

I THINK IT'S BEING SEEN MORE AS THE EMPLOYEE CLIENT TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP THAT WE SEEM INTERESTED IN AND WHAT MATTERS.

>> PRESIDENT: DID I SEE STUDENT TRUSTEE LEDESMA? VP DR. SHIN LIU?

>> TRUSTEE: I WANTED TO ASK IN OUR COLLEGE WE DO HAVE STUDENTS THEY CANNOT ON THE WEBSITE WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT HARD TO BE ABLE TO REGISTER?

>> TRUSTEE: WE NO LONGER HAVE IT.

>> TRUSTEE: I KNOW.

>> TRUSTEE: RIGHT NOW THE STUDENTS HAVE TO SUBMIT THE VACCINATION CARD.

>> TRUSTEE: WHAT IF THE STUDENT ONLY TAKES ONLINE CLASSES WILL THEY HAVE AN EXCEPTION?

>> PRESIDENT: IF THEY ONLY TAKE ONLINE CLASSES THEY WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO PRESENT THE VACCINATION CARD.

IT IS ESSENTIALLY MEANT FOR THOSE WHO TAKE CAMPUS CLASSES.

YOU WILL HAVE SOME CHALLENGES ACCESSING CAMPUS SERVICES THAT ARE MORE THAN 10 TO 15 MINUTES LONG AND ESSENTIALLY THE BULK OF THE SERVICES HAVE TO BE PROVIDED ONLINE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A VACCINATION CARD AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING.

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NOW AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME HALF THE ENROLLMENT IS ONLINE AND HALF OF IT IS ON-CAMPUS AND THAT IS A PROJECTION WE HAVE FOR THE FALL SEMESTER WHICH MEANS THAT OBVIOUSLY IF YOU ARE GOING TO EXTRAPOLATE THAT THE STUDENTS HAVE SUBMITTED VACCINATION CARDS IN YOUR TALKING 1200 STILL A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER STILL ON LOW ENROLLMENT TIMES SO OBVIOUSLY THERE IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THERE AS WELL.

THE OTHER ARGUMENT OF THAT IS THE STAFF STILL WANT TO BE VACCINATED AND HAVE STUDENTS VACCINATED IN THE CLASSROOM.

IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE FULLY SATISFIED WITH REMOVAL ON THIS ON THE INSIDE BUT THE DECISION THAT IS GOING TO IMPACT THE GROUP IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND AS WE SAW ONLY BE CANNED THE ENTIRE PROCESS THE CAMPUS HAS BEEN HALF-AND-HALF ON THIS DECISION BUT AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME WE WILL HAVE SOME THING PARTICULAR.

>> PRESIDENT: ANY OTHER POINTS OF DISCUSSION?

>> PRESIDENT: WOULD WE BE ABLE TO AGENDA TIES THIS ON THE SURVEY AS A COMPONENT?

>> TRUSTEE: ABSOLUTELY.

WE ARE DOING THE ENTIRE CAMPUS COMMUNITY.

TO THAT POINT, TOMORROW WE ARE IN A HIATUS FOR THE SUMMER UNDER THE LEADERSHIP GROUP AND WE ARE RINGING EVERYONE BACK TOMORROW TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION ON THIS.

TO DISCUSS THE PRESIDENT THE CCF PRESIDENT THE CSEA PRESIDENT, ME AND THE PRESENT DELAY REPRESENTATIVE OF MANAGERS AND CONFIDENTIAL'S WILL BE IN ATTENDANCE WHICH IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF EACH GROUP TO HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS IN THIS REGARD.

OBVIOUSLY THEIR VOICES COMING IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS WITH FRONT REFERENCES AND ALL HAVE VALID POINTS DEPENDING ON THE LENS YOU ARE USING TO SEE IT BUT AS I SAID THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN CHANGE ON THE RETURN TO CAMPUS PLAN WE HAVE DONE AND THAT THE PURVIEW OF THE COMMITTEE AND ANYTHING RELATED TO TESTING AND VACCINATION IS UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE BOARD AND I THINK SOMEWHERE THERE IT SAYS THAT WE CAN STOP THAT YOU FEEL IT IS OKAY TO DO IT.

>> PRESIDENT: DO WE HAVE A MOTION IN ANY RESPECT? OTHERWISE -*SPEAKER2* CAN WE TABLE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE ALL OF THE DATA FIRMS STUDENT SURVEYS AND FACULTY SURVEYS TO SEE WHERE WE ARE AT SO WE CAN MAKE A GOOD DECISION BASED ON THE COMMUNITY THAT WE SERVE?

>> PRESIDENT: IS THAT A MOTION?

>> TRUSTEE: IT IS A MOTION.

>> PRESIDENT: SECOND.

CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL VOTE?

>>.BOARD PRESIDENT BIRKEY? VP DR. SHIN LIU? TRUSTEE AVALOS, TRUSTEE LEWIS, TREND EIGHT, TRUSTEE PEREZ IS ABSENT TRUSTEE DR. SALAZAR? THE MOTION PASSES.

>> PRESIDENT: NOW WE WILL MOVE TO CLOSED SESSION.

THANK YOU.

EXECUTIVE SESSION.

BOARD WILL RECONVENE SHORTLY

[7. Closed Session]

PLEASE STAND BY...

>> PRESIDENT: ANDREA WOULD YOU PLEASE READ US THE ITEM DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION?

[8. Closing Items]

>> IT IS REPORTED THAT IN CLOSED SESSION THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES APPROVED THE EMPLOYMENT OF MICHELLE SOME OTIS AS DEAN OF ACADEMIC AFFAIRS READ 42 STEP ONE AT $12,960 PER MONTH.

OF THE MANAGEMENT SALARY SCHEDULE EFFECT OF AUGUST 1, 2022.

AND THE VOTE FOR APPROVAL WAS FIVE YES, ZERO NO, ZERO ABSTAIN AND TO ABSENT.

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>> PRESIDENT: THANK YOU AND THAT CONCLUDES THIS MEETING.

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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